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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here with yet another episode of UFO

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news network Sunday tonight on a Monday

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and tonight we've got a very special

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guest with us so let me go ahead and

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bring on my co-host chant Hannah to do

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the honors of introducing our fine

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guests receive hey everybody we have a

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really fun person who is a wonderful

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researcher and he has a great sense of

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humor we love him his name is Paul Dean

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but I just want to let you all know

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something first we had an interesting

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audio interruption there it's just

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because our sound was latent for a

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moment and so you might have heard a

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little bit of talking there for a moment

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but I'm gonna go ahead and move along in

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and introduce our wonderful guest Paul

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Dean Paul Dean is an Australian based

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researcher who focuses on government and

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military involvement and response to the

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UFO phenomena working in total isolation

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for 20 years Paul began tackling the

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issue of so-called UFO FILES directly

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just six years ago he with colleague

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Keith pastor field was instrumental in

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seeing that Australian government

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release are there to classified files

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from both the Aussie military and

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civilian aviation agencies further Paul

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has delved into hard-to-get UFO FILES

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generated by both the US and UK

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government with some considerable

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successes using the Freedom of

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Information Act and the mandatory

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declassification review process to

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obtain records

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he is currently securing information

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from the North American Aerospace

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Defense Command NORAD the Air Force

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Space Command AF SPC and the Federal

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Aviation Administration further and

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sometimes more importantly Paul obtains

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and studies the FOIA work of researchers

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who have quit the topic or passed on

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including the extraordinary work of the

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late G Todd lastly Paul has developed

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the UFO archive of gigantic size and

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works with the likes of Barry Greenwood

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Jen Aldridge and nightcaps Francis Ridge

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and maintaining that resource that is

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quite the bio Paul you are a very

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serious researcher we really love having

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you on the show you've been on before

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how are you

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thank you Oh pretty good it's um it's

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10:00 in the morning here so we're like

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we're you know nearly a day ahead of you

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I think or might be 15 hours ahead if

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you're something like that yeah I'm

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going quite well thank you yeah you know

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folks actually heard the tail end of our

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conversation I was just letting our

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audience know it was just a little bit

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of latency regarding his sound and thank

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you audience for being so patient with

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us on that and just wanted to ask Paul

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moving on to the topics now can you talk

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about the topic would NORAD yeah this is

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this is this is probably the most

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overlooked certainly in the United

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States or North America a Canada

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included obviously in this the okay I

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started ice I've studied the UFO topic

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from like the way that government

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agencies particularly in the United

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States I guess because the history is so

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rich there your history is so rich I've

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studied the the US government whether

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that be military or the aviation

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community or the intelligence apparatus

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of study the the UFO that like the

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government's response to the UFO issue

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for years and and dating right back to

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how they dealt with it really from from

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the issue of Foo Fighters with the US

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Army Air Forces and in Europe and Asia

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right through till now and and I guess

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that it was probably look some years ago

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probably 10 years ago when I started

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studying how the US actually actually

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deals with things in the sky so so one

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of your organizations that that is it

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will it is the premier and paramount air

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sovereignty and airspace management from

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a military side of a house perspective

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it's it's the premier airspace

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management and air sovereignty

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organization in North America it's it's

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the North American Aerospace Defense

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Command it's opposed to Peterson Air

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Force Base in Colorado with an ultimate

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headquarters at Cheyenne Mountain it

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also in Colorado

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um it it is a is the center it's a it's

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a it's a center that the delegates

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delegates air surveillance to numerous

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United States Air Force squadrons all

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around and Canadian first Air Division

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joint Canadian air operation yeah it's a

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it's a it is a by National Organization

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actually NORTHCOM which is one of ten

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unified combatant commands that is

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organized directly under the Secretary

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of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff

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and then NORAD also simultaneously

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answers to Canada's forces Canada and

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the Canadian Parliament and so so what

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NORAD's nor is actual they current

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factsheet and it's been like this for

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never changed and the their current fact

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sheet and I quote is NORAD is quote

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charged with the missions two main

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missions of aerospace warning an

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aerospace control for North America now

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aerospace warning includes detection

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validation and warning of attack against

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North America whether by aircraft

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missiles or space vehicles through

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that would be navel navel Space Command

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etc and then aerospace control includes

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you know ensuring air sovereignty and

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air defence of the airspace of calendar

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of United States that's that's things

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on stray aircraft movements or or or

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airborne drug runners etc so NORAD NORAD

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is like a a it people people think NORAD

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is is some Center with just a few

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massive radars and that's all it is what

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system of systems it's it's it's like

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where the United States Air Forces

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and Hart finding radars they they that

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looks in the air 24/7 24 hours a day

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literally write a reflective sand things

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in the sky planes the odd balloon

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helicopters and that that data feed goes

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to NORAD as does data from saying the

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Naval Space Command which they the Naval

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monitors the movements of a space junk

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that information gets spit through

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Vandenberg to join the functional

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component Center for space and again

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NORAD is like is this is this Center

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studied NORAD's our capabilities for 10

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years and I've there is no organization

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anywhere like it in the world that can

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that can do up-to-date monitoring of

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such a massive geographical area so it

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is always fascinated me as to why why

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ufologist and the media and the press

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and UFO buffs and even very serious

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researchers have bashed on the door of

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the CIA and and and and the DIA and have

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bashed on the door of the FBI

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some areas of the Air Force who have

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long been out of you I thought was long

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been out of you if I was like a you know

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like some of the air test development

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places may the Atomic Energy Commission

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and so on people have been bashing on

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these these organizations which have had

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yes they've got some UFO mythology in

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the past yes they've studied do you ever

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or had concern about it but on going up

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today day after day year after year

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NORAD is respond or attend to a slightly

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well NORAD to a lesser extent Air Force

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u.s. Stratcom which is based in Nebraska

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they are the ones that actually have the

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best monitoring and detection

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capabilities anywhere in the world and

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and nobody is asking because they're too

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hard to deal with NORAD is astoundingly

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answer right out of them about anything

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at all so so it became very important

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for me to start joining dots and yeah

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and I've done a lot of work in in that

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well yeah real quick Paula just to go

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done by CBS News here in the States

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hosted by Walter Cronkite where they did

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actually get a NORAD spokesman to go on

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the air and say they've never picked up

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I mean casteless we don't know what a

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that's all until until a pair of sight

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f15 Eagles or f-16 whatever they call in

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to land Falcon say in tall and salt

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aircraft get up next to an object it

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could be a balloon it could be something

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more mysterious it could just be a stray

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missile that's out of control from some

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sort of test launch that was never

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properly authorized from you know what

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sans whatever the the point is is that

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I've caught what he's saying is the guy

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what that spokesman will simply be

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referring to is he's trying to say that

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we've never picked anything up that

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scared the hell out of us to the point

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where we think it's from space we think

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it's a tea this is confirmation absolute

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trash that NORAD has never picked up

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anything of significance that is totally

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unexplained they have they do it all the

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time and the great thing is we've

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actually got the data we're starting to

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get the data now it's a little old it's

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from the 80s and 90s but we're actually

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starting to get the data but I mean oh

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responsible for tracking like detecting

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and tracking UFOs dead set a new

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to UFO events across the northern tier

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with Canada with that with the aid of

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local command posts like as in bases as

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detachment and whatever they were

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definitely picking up UFOs we know it

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paperwork you know like we've got we've

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got some extraordinary NORAD paperwork

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that dates back to the 60s and 70s this

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is I'll just give you some examples like

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the the the the the example you just

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gave me then of how you know NORAD

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spokesman says we've never picked up

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your photos okay we've got piles of

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those sort of statements giving us some

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examples on the 10th of November 1975

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there's a a NORAD's director of

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administration was Colonel Terence James

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and he stated stated Sir Robert Todd

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Robert Todd was probably the best ever

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why it freedom of information that

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researcher in history he went you know

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he submitted 5,000 if I was about UFOs

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over a 22-year period

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hey NORAD told Bob Todd quote this

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command has no present activity in

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investigating UFOs nor does any area of

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the United States government that I'm

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aware of

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now both statements are absolutely false

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NORAD does detect an investigate UFO

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events and other areas of the United

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States government whereas well including

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the US Air Force and Federal Aviation

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Administration as another letter that

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went Robert Todd from a ball place as a

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US Army in 1976 but I'll get to that

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later

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another nor another letter from NORAD's

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director Administration said quote we do

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not undertake investigative measured

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measures our interests are satisfied in

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near real-time and no formal

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documentation is created by this command

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that's absolute trash

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enormous amounts of documentation I have

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been released from NORAD if from the

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late 60s through the early 70s right at

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this at the precise time of writing this

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letter Bob Todd was having another tick

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colonel at NORAD actually release UFO

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documents well one so while one Colonel

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is saying we do not generate any

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paperwork

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no formal documentation is created by us

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another person at NORAD was actually

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sending formal documentation from NORAD

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headquarters I think 21st NORAD region

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in New York was actually sending Bob

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Todd NORAD documents extraordinary this

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is like two hands simply cannot get

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their story straight yet another letter

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uh April of 2015 on sent 88 there was a

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reply letter to a notable British

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researcher by the name of Arman

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Victorian Lieutenant Colonel Roger

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penal who was the chief of operations

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branch in the Director of Public Affairs

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stated that thank you for your recent

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letter requesting informational

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unidentified flying objects

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unfortunately we have not recently

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released any information concerning UFOs

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nor do we keep any information on file

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although we do not have any information

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on UFOs you may risk wish to write to

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the following address

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um the address there that that this

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lieutenant colonel gave Armin Victorian

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was actually move on that was the MUFON

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headquarters um which has got to be the

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biggest fob off I mean that's a complete

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fob off so what he's saying here he was

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saying that we haven't got any recent

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documentation on UFOs and this was in

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1988 well in 1987 Canada's Canada's

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first Air Division and headquarters air

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defense Winnipeg actually was generating

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formal documentation about UFOs I mean

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the like another example I mean the list

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just goes on and on and on there are

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examples here where where where NORAD

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has actually had to stress over UFOs to

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the point where they've engaged with the

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National Nouri command center in

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Washington DC

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they've had to urgently tell us the 8th

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Air Force or the 15th Air Force telling

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them so you know who's gonna deal with

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this UFO problem we've currently got

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over you know be it California or

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whatever

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one example is I've got a italics here

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from 1964 and it says the National

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Military Command Center and NORAD

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advised that there were six to twelve

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unidentified flying

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objects at 30 miles east of Merced

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California radar picked up 12 objects at

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altitude of 60,000 to 90,000 feet and

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higher elevations

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if 106 aircraft was scrambled at Castle

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Air Force Base there were no results

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because of the high altitudes they are

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checking the possibility of sending you

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twos now further there was an update to

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that message it was a it's a telex

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message and it says objects were

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followed

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we're sorry objects were following a 60

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mile racetrack pattern if 106 is with

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flying okay can you run there baby I

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know what a racetrack pattern that's the

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thing that's when you go around in a big

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look okay okay like a look at big oblong

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shape look I think it's where you go ran

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it in kind of like a lotion shape

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and 90,000 feet that's virtually two

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women Sameer incredible he's one and

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then it says pilots locked onto some of

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the objects but could not keep the lock

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then it says NORAD sin they said I was

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sending two more aircraft with pilots in

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pressure suits so this is a rather

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extraordinary document well one Pat yeah

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well on one hand at a time the United

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States Air Force was running Project

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Blue Book and and NORAD were always kept

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out of the discussion you know

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congressmen and Senators and adjunct

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generals and inspector generals and and

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and whatever would would formally ask

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for a Blue Book for latest information

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latest statistics latest best cases

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latest worst cases whatever and never

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ever was NORAD discussed it's always

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someone else but NORAD it's always

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overseas embassies generating UFO

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reports it's always civilian sightings

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by hyperactive housewives it's always

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someone else's fault it's never NORAD

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well you know so that's why this this

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this topic is so important that and like

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I said we have actually managed to get

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some impressive information um the work

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who's all along and this is really

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interesting um back back in back in 1968

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in July some listeners may remember that

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the the US House Committee on Science &

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astronautics I held a

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somewhat at the time famous hearing

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which it was called the symposium on

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unidentified flying object and it was

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several months before the the end of

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Project Blue Book was was going on and

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and and the condom the famous UFO study

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tone Condon report was released tonight

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yes that's the one that there Gerald

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Ford pretty much jump-started he was pay

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was part of yes that was that was

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instrumental in in this house in in

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these hearings this symposium on a

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little dinner fun flying objects Ford

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was Ford was actually I don't know if

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he'd say instrumental but it certainly

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gave at legs it was like called I think

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someone called called Gerald Ford's work

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a shot in the arm but anyway the

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discussions on the dislike buried deep

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within those hearings like you know it

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like like well into the boring part of

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the day the discussions were actually

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quite illuminating about military

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tracking of space objects and possibly

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UFOs and and and something was said that

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during during the during the stirring

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his speech dr. Robert M Baker who was a

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scientist he he was he was somewhat of a

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pro euro scientist he said something um

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very impressive hey now this is what you

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got to remember this is right back in

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1968 he said he sent with in dealing

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with the subject of space tracking a

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missile detection and and anomalous

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phenomena he made this astonishing

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statement he said there is only one

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surveillance system known to me that

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exhibits sufficient continue with two

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continuous coverage to have even the

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slight that he of betraying the presence

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of anomalistic phenomena phenomena

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operating above the Earth's atmosphere

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the system is partially classified and

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hence I cannot go into detail about

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injuring an unclassified meeting I can

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however state that yesterday I traveled

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to Colorado Springs and confirm that

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since this particular sensor system has

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been in operation there have been a

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number of

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anomalistic alarms alarms that as of

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this date have not been explained on the

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basis of natural phenomena

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interference equipment malfunction or

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inadequacy or man-made space objects now

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what's interesting that's what he

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actually said no one took any notice of

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it unbelievable

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dr. Baca mentioned Colorado Springs and

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that is without a doubt a reference

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search I enjoyed well back then yeah now

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Cheyenne Mountain is simply an Air

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Station that's that's on backup warm

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alert but but yeah it's it's it's so

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even in even in the nineteen sixties

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NORAD's ability now I've talked about

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more often will detecting things in the

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atmosphere already in the 60s and to a

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lesser extent in the seventies there

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they they had the role of tracking

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things in space it's not like that now

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which I'll discuss later but the the

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even the Deputy Secretary of Defense who

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was James Douglas in 1960 which is a

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very long time ago said he made a

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statement saying we have embarked on

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studies to inspect satellites at close

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range in the interests of our own

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satellite operations in other words us

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decision-makers had agreed that defense

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satellites in the future could be

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designed to study foreign spacecraft and

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and that that was that was that was

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something that a few UFO logis were

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actually very impressed by because

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imagine having the ability is way back

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because sixties to actually sneak up

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under the command of the Space

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Operations Center to actually slip on

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another satellite and and and and look

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what was going on

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yeah I mean we were doing that kind of

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thing with the Gemini program rendezvous

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with the it was the Agena with that they

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would do and rendezvous so they were

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working on this and to make a NASA yeah

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yeah and yeah it's it's it's it's so so

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one thing one thing that is is very it

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can sometimes be frustrating for me is

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that there is is a there is a

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misconception so so NORAD and its US Air

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Force squadron and wing counterparts are

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responsible for an

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Emira and canadian also Navy

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counterparts are responsible for what we

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call in atmosphere or air breathing or

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atmospheric detection validation and

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warning

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so that's planes missiles like cruise

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missiles hijacked planes stray aircraft

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the odd helicopter whatever most people

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at face value think that NORAD is also

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entirely or at least mostly responsible

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for Space Surveillance you know right

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out to height you know to where that

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really far satellites go most people

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think that NORAD is responsible for a

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space warning missile warning like

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missile impact warning meteorite debris

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impact warning the monitoring of

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friendly and not so friendly spacecraft

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new foreign launch warning so so the

552
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:00,940
fact of the matter is now in the 2010s

553
00:24:06,810 --> 00:24:03,760
it's just not the case NORAD are simply

554
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,820
now a customer of space tracking space

555
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:09,520
detection information the primary and

556
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:10,960
this is where this is where we'll be

557
00:24:15,210 --> 00:24:13,510
very careful my my colleagues and I with

558
00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:15,220
Freedom of Information requests and

559
00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:16,300
general correspondence with your

560
00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:19,390
government is is that the actual folk

561
00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:22,390
who are responsible for what goes on in

562
00:24:26,010 --> 00:24:24,460
space is actually primarily overall is

563
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:26,020
actually us Stratcom which is US

564
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:29,010
Strategic Command which is based at some

565
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:31,740
offered Air Force Base in Nebraska and

566
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:34,930
US US Strategic Command is made up of

567
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,910
the space components command space

568
00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:38,320
component commands from the Army the

569
00:24:42,780 --> 00:24:39,280
Navy and the Air Force

570
00:24:44,790 --> 00:24:42,790
so that's army strategic missile defense

571
00:24:48,990 --> 00:24:44,800
command Navy Space Command and Air Force

572
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,000
Space Command and of those of those age

573
00:24:53,310 --> 00:24:51,520
or of those components it is mostly Air

574
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:53,320
Force Space Command

575
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:55,930
dedicated to monitoring what goes on in

576
00:25:02,250 --> 00:24:59,200
space detecting new objects updating

577
00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:02,260
orbital catalogs you know sending

578
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:04,360
sending impact and attack warnings to

579
00:25:09,390 --> 00:25:06,310
NORAD all or all the Joint Chiefs of

580
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:09,400
Staff or the Canadian Parliament and and

581
00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:10,810
this is really important because people

582
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:13,270
say well who actually watches like

583
00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:15,250
literally watches what goes on in space

584
00:25:18,010 --> 00:25:16,840
like where are the cameras where are the

585
00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:18,020
radars and

586
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:21,980
right now it is right now the 21st Space

587
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,050
Wing which is operational and the Air

588
00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:26,240
Force Space Command headquarters yes the

589
00:25:32,380 --> 00:25:30,230
24th 21st Space Wing has a group called

590
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:32,390
the 21st Operations Group and within the

591
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,410
21st Operations Group the 18th space

592
00:25:39,970 --> 00:25:37,520
control squadron at Vandenberg in

593
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:39,980
California is responsible for tracking

594
00:25:47,620 --> 00:25:42,970
everything in orbit and it receives its

595
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,630
information from a bunch of Space

596
00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:50,240
Surveillance Network sites which are run

597
00:25:57,549 --> 00:25:54,260
by the xx space control squadron they

598
00:26:02,880 --> 00:25:57,559
are the telescopes that are in Diego

599
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,890
Garcia in Hawaii in Spain in England

600
00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:05,600
plus a bunch of long-range radar sites

601
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:08,660
that are dedicated to incoming missile

602
00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:11,330
warning and so those those squadrons and

603
00:26:16,990 --> 00:26:13,220
those detachments use radar and

604
00:26:18,669 --> 00:26:17,000
telescopes to to monitor you know

605
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,679
countries are the the launching new

606
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,960
missile systems whatever and that's

607
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:22,880
where we think at the absolute coalface

608
00:26:27,130 --> 00:26:25,580
some very unusual events you know on the

609
00:26:29,380 --> 00:26:27,140
edge of space are actually up into space

610
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:29,390
may have occurred we know where the data

611
00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:32,330
goes we even know how it goes we know we

612
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,950
know where it's stored it's stored at a

613
00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:35,840
place called the joint um at the joint

614
00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:37,400
Space Operations Center in Vandenberg

615
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:41,270
who a tasked it's a center that's run by

616
00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:42,650
the joint functional component center

617
00:26:47,020 --> 00:26:44,750
for space under Air Force Space Command

618
00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:47,030
which are in turn under us Stratcom

619
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:48,920
and that's precisely where we need to go

620
00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:52,490
for for for space object identification

621
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,590
space verification Dallas Space

622
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,720
Surveillance information object

623
00:27:00,760 --> 00:26:58,640
identification or misidentification or

624
00:27:03,340 --> 00:27:00,770
an identification and that that the

625
00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:03,350
problem is is that time and time again

626
00:27:08,650 --> 00:27:06,500
ever since actually 1996 researchers

627
00:27:10,810 --> 00:27:08,660
have been specifically told that

628
00:27:13,630 --> 00:27:10,820
uncorrelated target information from

629
00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:13,640
space is classified at minimum secret so

630
00:27:18,910 --> 00:27:16,460
so we've seen it in in in policy manuals

631
00:27:21,850 --> 00:27:18,920
and instruction manuals but but u.s.

632
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:21,860
Stratcom and it's and it's a sub

633
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:28,250
ordnance keeping all space space object

634
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:30,050
information at minimum at the secret

635
00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:31,910
level so it

636
00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:33,320
just will not be declassified we're

637
00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:34,670
tried were tried every single angle

638
00:27:39,670 --> 00:27:36,830
we've even tried to approach the

639
00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:39,680
Americans through Britain that's that's

640
00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:43,700
like desperate to do that yeah we've

641
00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:46,190
even tried the Ministry of Defense's UK

642
00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:48,430
spy I think it's called the UK space

643
00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:52,430
space activity centre who'd they get it

644
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:54,950
erector feed from from from America's

645
00:27:58,540 --> 00:27:56,450
joint functional component center for a

646
00:27:59,890 --> 00:27:58,550
space so we even tried to hoodwink by

647
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,900
going in that direction and it certainly

648
00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:03,200
wasn't going to work yes so it's pretty

649
00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:04,550
fascinating stuff but all of this is

650
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:06,440
overlooked I mean I mean most

651
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:07,910
researchers are running around on

652
00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:10,850
Facebook talking about you know Bigelow

653
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:15,500
and and and and and and AIT IP and and

654
00:28:20,620 --> 00:28:17,930
need some skinwalker ranch and and and

655
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:20,630
and dabbling in gemstones and an Eastern

656
00:28:28,030 --> 00:28:24,410
religion and and then the the real

657
00:28:30,220 --> 00:28:28,040
culprits you know if if UFOs do exist if

658
00:28:31,780 --> 00:28:30,230
the real culprits are back at Peterson

659
00:28:35,230 --> 00:28:31,790
Air Force Base at Vandenberg in

660
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,240
California so the these guys these

661
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:38,000
organizations have the gear they've got

662
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:39,530
the gear to capture the physical

663
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:41,750
evidence of UFOs or whatever they turn

664
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:43,790
out to be but they've got the gear to do

665
00:28:47,860 --> 00:28:46,130
it yeah I mean that's really what it

666
00:28:49,870 --> 00:28:47,870
comes down to I don't have a radar set

667
00:28:51,550 --> 00:28:49,880
in my backyard I'm working on you know

668
00:28:53,170 --> 00:28:51,560
I'm getting a refurbished one on eBay

669
00:28:55,210 --> 00:28:53,180
but you know I got to get my tax return

670
00:28:57,580 --> 00:28:55,220
before I can afford it and you know it's

671
00:29:00,670 --> 00:28:57,590
it's it's just you know like look we've

672
00:29:03,730 --> 00:29:00,680
even found um we've even we've even

673
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:03,740
found but but we've actually even found

674
00:29:09,490 --> 00:29:07,970
a a a manual that is used that wood used

675
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:09,500
to be used at Cheyenne Mountain in the

676
00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:13,370
80s it was a manual where it was it was

677
00:29:21,310 --> 00:29:17,270
a manual that discussed it discussed who

678
00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:21,320
would be pulled on board in case of you

679
00:29:27,550 --> 00:29:24,340
know a really weird space detection and

680
00:29:29,140 --> 00:29:27,560
it's called the operations loop and the

681
00:29:32,110 --> 00:29:29,150
the people that were involved in the

682
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:32,120
operations loop worthy the NORAD command

683
00:29:36,340 --> 00:29:34,610
director the all the NORAD senior

684
00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:36,350
directors at sector level like all

685
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:38,140
around the country and into Canada and

686
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:41,810
and they would get on something they

687
00:29:46,859 --> 00:29:44,169
would get on a classified phones

688
00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:46,869
it's called the rape warning and and the

689
00:29:51,209 --> 00:29:49,929
it was only it was only five items that

690
00:29:53,609 --> 00:29:51,219
could be discussed between those

691
00:29:57,749 --> 00:29:53,619
particular battle space commanders and

692
00:29:59,609 --> 00:29:57,759
and and and spice of violence is spice

693
00:30:01,080 --> 00:29:59,619
violence operations people there was

694
00:30:04,379 --> 00:30:01,090
only there was only six objects that

695
00:30:06,629 --> 00:30:04,389
could a six person discussed one of them

696
00:30:08,459 --> 00:30:06,639
was unknown right our activity and the

697
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:08,469
other another one was space object

698
00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:11,080
maneuvering so you know you'd like to be

699
00:30:16,049 --> 00:30:13,989
in in in one of those conversations when

700
00:30:18,749 --> 00:30:16,059
when something odd happened I don't know

701
00:30:21,450 --> 00:30:18,759
yeah well space object maneuvering that

702
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:21,460
would be interesting yeah yeah yeah I

703
00:30:27,239 --> 00:30:24,210
know that's the actual term that's it's

704
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:27,249
it's there's this the so many of there's

705
00:30:33,989 --> 00:30:29,849
so many interesting angles tool is

706
00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:33,999
another another organization that that

707
00:30:40,169 --> 00:30:36,429
has that really raised alarm bells for

708
00:30:45,509 --> 00:30:40,179
me was back in the back in the 80s

709
00:30:48,299 --> 00:30:45,519
though that NORAD NORAD was was joined

710
00:30:50,219 --> 00:30:48,309
at the hip with something it's funny

711
00:30:51,509 --> 00:30:50,229
with all this this Trump space force

712
00:30:55,259 --> 00:30:51,519
business because we've actually already

713
00:30:59,099 --> 00:30:55,269
had one back in the back from not and

714
00:31:02,369 --> 00:30:59,109
ahee ahee was not an 82 mm who the US

715
00:31:05,459 --> 00:31:02,379
Space Command existed it was it was a

716
00:31:08,129 --> 00:31:05,469
unified combatant command 26,000 staff

717
00:31:10,469 --> 00:31:08,139
underneath it US Space Command was based

718
00:31:13,409 --> 00:31:10,479
literally next to NORAD same buildings

719
00:31:14,969 --> 00:31:13,419
Science Center same land us Spica Space

720
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:14,979
Command it's a bit like straight con

721
00:31:18,749 --> 00:31:16,809
today it was made up of Army Space

722
00:31:20,869 --> 00:31:18,759
Command Air Force Space Command a Navy

723
00:31:23,459 --> 00:31:20,879
Space Command and it was a centralized

724
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,469
it was a centralized super center for

725
00:31:28,739 --> 00:31:26,080
everything from a space rocket launching

726
00:31:30,419 --> 00:31:28,749
through to you know here aiding foreign

727
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:30,429
countries with their space launching

728
00:31:36,089 --> 00:31:32,799
through to protecting satellites from

729
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:36,099
from computer virus uploads through to

730
00:31:40,709 --> 00:31:38,169
working alongside NASA in emergencies

731
00:31:44,009 --> 00:31:40,719
everything US Space Command it was was a

732
00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:44,019
huge unified combatant command and and

733
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,190
and we thin within US Space Command

734
00:31:52,169 --> 00:31:51,279
NORAD there was a joint Directorate

735
00:31:54,659 --> 00:31:52,179
there was a joint

736
00:31:56,099 --> 00:31:54,669
organization that was answered both

737
00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:56,109
directly through the commander in chief

738
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:57,080
of NORAD on the come

739
00:32:01,390 --> 00:31:59,090
chief of space command and it was called

740
00:32:04,510 --> 00:32:01,400
the Directorate of aerospace analysis

741
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:04,520
and apparently it had about 60 start off

742
00:32:09,340 --> 00:32:07,490
any 80s and in the 90s it was the name

743
00:32:11,650 --> 00:32:09,350
was changed actually to the center for

744
00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:11,660
aerospace analysis the reason this

745
00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:15,320
center is important is is I found out

746
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:19,100
through an old an old NORAD / US Space

747
00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:23,360
Command policy document I I found that

748
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:25,820
that there was a statement that there

749
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:27,980
was a whole chapter on unknown tracks

750
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,830
so when NORAD's radars when their

751
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:32,240
long-range trackball scout and heart

752
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:34,250
finding radars pick up something that

753
00:32:39,370 --> 00:32:36,770
they simply they can't it's it's it's

754
00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:39,380
not communicating on radio it's it's

755
00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:40,760
they're watching it on the screens it's

756
00:32:44,290 --> 00:32:42,590
something coming towards United States

757
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:44,300
we're leaving at a very rapid pace or

758
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:45,950
something that shouldn't be there it's

759
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:47,630
it's on the screens it's literally

760
00:32:54,910 --> 00:32:51,650
called an unknown track or at UNK or UNK

761
00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:54,920
T UT whatever edge screens be different

762
00:33:01,440 --> 00:32:56,390
I think but but it's called an unknown

763
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:01,450
track and what's important is is that

764
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:06,080
any any unknown track that stays unknown

765
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:08,450
for more than five minutes and and is

766
00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:11,510
not resolved it's it's called a NORAD

767
00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:13,460
remaining unknown it means that if

768
00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:15,800
something was definitely up there it

769
00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:17,660
didn't appear to land we can't arrest

770
00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:19,460
the pilot we don't know where it went it

771
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:22,220
was really strange anyway I've got a

772
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,110
document like I was saying it's a it's a

773
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:26,720
NORAD s'posed command joint public ocean

774
00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:29,510
and it says in Section 11 point 1 it

775
00:33:36,010 --> 00:33:33,020
says the age the air defense Operations

776
00:33:40,170 --> 00:33:36,020
Center sends a copy of these reports to

777
00:33:44,830 --> 00:33:40,180
the center of the aerospace analysis and

778
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:44,840
and I thought I've seen this Center for

779
00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:47,330
aerospace analysis before and so I

780
00:33:54,730 --> 00:33:51,740
pulled up I pulled up an old an old

781
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:54,740
letter that was sent to British

782
00:33:58,660 --> 00:33:56,450
researcher called Armin Victorian which

783
00:34:02,340 --> 00:33:58,670
and this old letter admitted that the

784
00:34:05,050 --> 00:34:02,350
Center for aerospace analysis did do

785
00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:05,060
analysis and investigative work on

786
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:07,550
unknown tracks and NORAD remaining

787
00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:08,470
unknown tracks

788
00:34:12,330 --> 00:34:10,840
and that was so so I've got sort of like

789
00:34:14,490 --> 00:34:12,340
double confirmation because you can't

790
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:14,500
just go off one old document you know

791
00:34:20,909 --> 00:34:16,090
like all the time it's really good if

792
00:34:22,649 --> 00:34:20,919
you can have some backup and the I think

793
00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:22,659
the actual wording that was sent to UM

794
00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:23,710
the Victorian I've got it I've just

795
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:25,149
pulled it up in front of me it says the

796
00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:27,220
aerospace analysis Directorate does

797
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:30,040
perform analysis on NORAD unknown track

798
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:32,080
reports they perform their analysis

799
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:34,210
under the auspices of the NORAD role

800
00:34:42,089 --> 00:34:37,720
using a dedicated NORAD database so here

801
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:42,099
we've got a I guess a and a discussion

802
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,530
saying that that weird unknown radar

803
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:47,200
hits and and detection x' using NORAD

804
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:51,250
radar systems a study that this

805
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:53,169
directorate for aerospace analysis of

806
00:34:58,260 --> 00:34:54,790
later center for aerospace analysis

807
00:35:00,180 --> 00:34:58,270
finally one final document from 2004

808
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:00,190
which i haven't written about yet i've

809
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:04,000
got to do this I found that that in 2004

810
00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:07,180
the House House Committee on Government

811
00:35:11,849 --> 00:35:09,460
Reform asked NORAD a series of questions

812
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:11,859
we're learning a bit to September 11 and

813
00:35:17,579 --> 00:35:14,560
and hijacked aircraft but in in their

814
00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:17,589
replies the Nora had actually said to

815
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:21,220
the to the committee they said they said

816
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:23,770
that the center for again same word the

817
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:25,800
Center for area of space analysis

818
00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:29,440
performs you know investigative work on

819
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:31,960
on on NORAD remaining unknown tracks

820
00:35:37,890 --> 00:35:35,230
which have you know puzzled operations

821
00:35:40,109 --> 00:35:37,900
staff whatever it says and that is that

822
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:40,119
so this this toolkit position has been

823
00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:42,490
around since at least not ever and it

824
00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:45,369
was still current as of 2004 so if

825
00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:47,140
they're if they're performing analysis

826
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:49,060
and investigative and exploratory work

827
00:35:55,650 --> 00:35:53,200
on on the weirdest unknown radar

828
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:55,660
detection zyk Ross North America this is

829
00:36:00,660 --> 00:35:58,170
something of paramount importance but

830
00:36:03,570 --> 00:36:00,670
talking to them directly is impossible

831
00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:03,580
because they're they're underneath NORAD

832
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:07,300
headquarters and they by law they they

833
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:08,770
are they're exempt from the Freedom of

834
00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:11,800
Information Act and and any everything

835
00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:13,960
would be classified at least secret so

836
00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:16,270
that's another area to significant

837
00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:19,720
investigations got it now you also

838
00:36:24,509 --> 00:36:21,670
mentioned that

839
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:24,519
they also acquire information from the

840
00:36:32,759 --> 00:36:30,190
Federal Aviation Administration yeah

841
00:36:37,019 --> 00:36:32,769
that was that was an interesting one so

842
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:37,029
I I discovered I was looking in an old

843
00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:39,910
Federal Aviation Administration order

844
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:42,700
which is kind of like a huge book an

845
00:36:46,859 --> 00:36:44,470
order in this particular order I think

846
00:36:51,150 --> 00:36:46,869
was it running at 600 pages or something

847
00:36:54,029 --> 00:36:51,160
and and it's it that will the Federal

848
00:36:56,549 --> 00:36:54,039
Aviation Administration they have

849
00:36:58,500 --> 00:36:56,559
excellent secondary surveillance radar

850
00:37:01,529 --> 00:36:58,510
and primary radar coverage obviously

851
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:01,539
around airports and also also between

852
00:37:05,130 --> 00:37:03,490
major airports I have these on route

853
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,140
these massive on route centers which

854
00:37:11,490 --> 00:37:07,920
which which monitor monitor

855
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:11,500
aircraft flying behind the sky there's

856
00:37:17,309 --> 00:37:14,579
so and and the Federal Aviation

857
00:37:20,549 --> 00:37:17,319
Administration radar feed or radar data

858
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:20,559
is shared with NORAD so where NORAD and

859
00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:22,569
the US Air Force counterparts where they

860
00:37:26,670 --> 00:37:24,940
do not have radar coverage because the

861
00:37:28,349 --> 00:37:26,680
US Air Force and NORAD can't literally

862
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:28,359
have radar coverage absolutely

863
00:37:31,769 --> 00:37:29,710
everywhere they're not now you know

864
00:37:34,740 --> 00:37:31,779
they're primarily for attack and warning

865
00:37:37,019 --> 00:37:34,750
and for for drug runners and for hijack

866
00:37:39,319 --> 00:37:37,029
aircraft and and and and attack warning

867
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:39,329
from the direction of I suppose Russia

868
00:37:45,150 --> 00:37:42,640
the and missile warning so to have say

869
00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:45,160
NORAD and US Air Force live radar

870
00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:47,500
streams from say the middle of Kentucky

871
00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:50,140
we would same a bit so the FAA has

872
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:54,460
plugged those holes and I found a I

873
00:38:01,319 --> 00:37:58,450
found an interesting document on a and

874
00:38:04,799 --> 00:38:01,329
and what it showed was it was it was if

875
00:38:08,999 --> 00:38:04,809
there's a situation where the FAA has

876
00:38:11,279 --> 00:38:09,009
aided the tracking of all the via the

877
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:11,289
tracking of a of an unexpected or

878
00:38:17,309 --> 00:38:13,990
unknown aircraft object whatever and

879
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:17,319
let's say let's say the FIA yet the FAI

880
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:20,529
share that data with NORAD NORAD will

881
00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:25,210
then command or ask a US Air Force jet

882
00:38:32,309 --> 00:38:27,700
or pair of jets to go and chase that

883
00:38:34,289 --> 00:38:32,319
object and at the eff is on the FAA site

884
00:38:35,130 --> 00:38:34,299
so so now we've got three distinct I

885
00:38:37,590 --> 00:38:35,140
suppose organ

886
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:37,600
oceans watching or at least concerned

887
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:39,970
about an unknown object we've got NORAD

888
00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:42,160
whose victory in aircraft we've got the

889
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:44,680
US aircraft US Air Force were actually

890
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:46,570
operating the aircraft and piloting them

891
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:48,730
and we've got the FAA who is monitoring

892
00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:51,720
the whole situation primarily from the

893
00:38:55,650 --> 00:38:54,100
from the point of a prep for the purpose

894
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,660
of air safety think you know civilian

895
00:38:59,100 --> 00:38:57,280
airlines okay if you don't mind let me

896
00:39:01,050 --> 00:38:59,110
yeah jump in here really quick

897
00:39:02,970 --> 00:39:01,060
a lot of folks are at home I'm sure are

898
00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:02,980
familiar with air traffic controllers

899
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:05,230
and what they do basically when they're

900
00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:06,520
looking at that screen what they're

901
00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:08,830
looking at is merged data where they're

902
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:12,280
getting a feed from radar and that can

903
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:13,810
vary depending on what part of the

904
00:39:17,340 --> 00:39:15,610
country they're in in terms of who owns

905
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:17,350
the radar installation but they're

906
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:19,750
hitting there they're getting a merged

907
00:39:23,730 --> 00:39:21,580
data the radar and then they're also

908
00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:23,740
getting the transponder information so

909
00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:25,990
they know the flight numbers and so on

910
00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:29,590
of you know who's up in the air now the

911
00:39:32,910 --> 00:39:30,790
reason I happen to know a little bit

912
00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:32,920
about this relates to the Japan airline

913
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:36,430
case where yeah what what Bruce Maccabee

914
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:39,400
and Ron Pandolfi were able to do was get

915
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:42,250
the video screen basically a videotape

916
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:44,530
of the air traffic controllers screen

917
00:39:50,220 --> 00:39:46,690
and what that was was the merged data

918
00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:50,230
from the obviously the transponder

919
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:52,270
information and all that but also the

920
00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:54,610
radar and the radar up in Alaska up in

921
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:55,870
the middle of nowhere was owned by the

922
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:57,250
Air Force so I just wanted to throw that

923
00:40:01,440 --> 00:39:58,960
in there just to impress people that I

924
00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:01,450
know a little bit about that's a classic

925
00:40:06,330 --> 00:40:03,700
that is a classic stays a classic

926
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:06,340
example Elmendorf primary radar US Air

927
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:09,930
Force and the Alaska FAI air region

928
00:40:14,910 --> 00:40:13,120
transponder SSR writer was merging and

929
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:14,920
mergers both on repay and merger in the

930
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:17,170
form of printouts like target printouts

931
00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:20,200
but yes so I was I was studying the FAA

932
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,780
in its relationship to you know helping

933
00:40:28,050 --> 00:40:24,720
alright and the US Air Force vectoring

934
00:40:31,110 --> 00:40:28,060
aircraft into like you know encircling

935
00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:31,120
or visually you know inspecting an

936
00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:33,160
unknown object and I found something

937
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:36,700
turns out that FAA air traffic

938
00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:39,370
controllers when when apparently this

939
00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:41,260
happens when the FAA a part of the

940
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:43,840
process of helping the US Air Force or

941
00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:46,090
and NORAD chase down and you know a

942
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:47,620
pesky balloon or

943
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:50,890
UFO or whatever right the the FAA

944
00:40:56,370 --> 00:40:53,970
controllers have to fill out a form and

945
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:56,380
there's there's actually two sections to

946
00:41:00,600 --> 00:40:58,410
it depending on what happens in the sky

947
00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:00,610
there's two sections either they fill

948
00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:02,740
out Part A or they fill out Part B and

949
00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:05,880
Part A is called aircraft's

950
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:08,830
identification before intercept and what

951
00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:11,680
that means is is that if if the US Air

952
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Force identified the object or if

953
00:41:19,830 --> 00:41:17,290
someone identified what the object was

954
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:19,840
before the planes got there like through

955
00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:23,050
you know a mayday signal and SOS the

956
00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:25,360
aircraft crashed in the sea whatever if

957
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:27,100
so if the object or aircraft is

958
00:41:30,510 --> 00:41:29,110
identified well before the US Air Force

959
00:41:37,530 --> 00:41:30,520
actually get there don't stare in it

960
00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:37,540
they fill out Part A and and if though

961
00:41:43,590 --> 00:41:40,990
the aircraft or the the object is

962
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:43,600
identified after intercept occurs that

963
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:46,330
means so the US Air Force get there they

964
00:41:50,430 --> 00:41:48,490
radioed back to the FAA and NORAD and

965
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:50,440
say oh crap this is just another balloon

966
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,720
or it's a research balloon or it's a

967
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:54,720
remote-controlled drone that's obviously

968
00:42:00,240 --> 00:41:58,210
stray or whatever then the the FAA

969
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,250
controllers fill out Part B and that's

970
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:03,040
that's called a unknown intercept log

971
00:42:08,610 --> 00:42:06,430
Part B and so what I was it occurred to

972
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:08,620
me that over the years I suppose that if

973
00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:10,330
I can air-traffic controllers have

974
00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:14,230
probably filled out a lot of a lot of

975
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:17,500
these a lot of these forms so I'd be

976
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:22,330
curious to see I be curious to see the

977
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:24,460
after II intercept forms I mean I mean

978
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:27,250
most times I'm sure that the the after

979
00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:30,250
intercept forms will will simply that

980
00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:32,260
the piles of them that simply say you

981
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:36,460
know US Air Force jets got there we we

982
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:38,650
found it was a balloon as we suspected

983
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:40,510
blah blah blah but I'd be curious to see

984
00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:43,810
what all of them mean I mean imagine if

985
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:45,070
we found a situation where an air

986
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:47,740
traffic controller dfi I had written us

987
00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:51,000
a US Air Force jets under our control

988
00:42:58,290 --> 00:42:54,520
and with NORAD identified the object as

989
00:43:00,360 --> 00:42:58,300
you know a football shaped glowing

990
00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:00,370
metallic disc whatever

991
00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:01,040
now that would

992
00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:03,590
interesting and and these these these

993
00:43:07,090 --> 00:43:05,750
these forms apparently I read are

994
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,100
actually kept for a long time

995
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:09,200
they kept because of the statistical and

996
00:43:16,810 --> 00:43:12,530
safety reasons so you know that's that's

997
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:16,820
a that's another I suppose angle for for

998
00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:21,290
FOI request yeah now right you also

999
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:23,960
wanted this to discuss Nasik and that

1000
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:25,490
might be an acronym that a lot of folks

1001
00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:27,650
are not familiar with so why don't you

1002
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:32,420
run through that a little bit and that

1003
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:38,330
was so I guess a lot of a lot of

1004
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:41,510
listeners will remember that the the US

1005
00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:45,290
Air Force originally well after project

1006
00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:47,300
silent project Roger which would early

1007
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:51,790
UFO case collection and investigative

1008
00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:54,410
efforts by the Directorate of Air Force

1009
00:43:58,420 --> 00:43:55,880
intelligence and Air Force Materiel

1010
00:44:02,410 --> 00:43:58,430
Command or air Materiel Command back

1011
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:02,420
then that people will know that from

1012
00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:07,040
from for 20 years until 1969 the Project

1013
00:44:13,570 --> 00:44:10,280
Blue Book was the-- apparently was the

1014
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:13,580
20-year ongoing study investigative

1015
00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:15,980
study kate's collection coast collation

1016
00:44:22,180 --> 00:44:18,440
public affairs shambles at

1017
00:44:24,810 --> 00:44:22,190
wright-patterson Air Force Base well in

1018
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:24,820
the early days Blue Book was actually

1019
00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:27,170
operated as it was one of ninety

1020
00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:30,680
projects within the if the air technical

1021
00:44:36,850 --> 00:44:34,520
intelligence centers area air Technol

1022
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:36,860
intelligence center actually in I think

1023
00:44:43,390 --> 00:44:41,090
1961 changed its name to F today the

1024
00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:43,400
foreign technology division and foreign

1025
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:47,990
technology division was some was was was

1026
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,060
tasked or functional under Air Force

1027
00:44:53,590 --> 00:44:51,680
Systems Command

1028
00:44:59,890 --> 00:44:53,600
anyway the foreign technology division

1029
00:45:01,900 --> 00:44:59,900
where FTD was well I they existed for

1030
00:45:04,510 --> 00:45:01,910
about thirty years until they got they

1031
00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:04,520
got a whole pile of name changes they've

1032
00:45:08,050 --> 00:45:06,380
always the FTD or foreign technology

1033
00:45:10,540 --> 00:45:08,060
division they've always been it at

1034
00:45:13,450 --> 00:45:10,550
wright-patterson Air Force Base and they

1035
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:13,460
go back they can draw their lineage all

1036
00:45:16,479 --> 00:45:14,329
the way back to world

1037
00:45:19,870 --> 00:45:16,489
I want this is not a new organization

1038
00:45:22,299 --> 00:45:19,880
yes yeah army i fell ya the army there

1039
00:45:26,019 --> 00:45:22,309
was an army engineering sector the

1040
00:45:29,979 --> 00:45:26,029
traceless that if you go right yeah and

1041
00:45:32,049 --> 00:45:29,989
but in the in the late 80s the FTD was

1042
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:32,059
all of a sudden the Air Force you know

1043
00:45:36,939 --> 00:45:34,910
it was was some you know I have F to the

1044
00:45:38,859 --> 00:45:36,949
last see which was the foreign aerospace

1045
00:45:41,019 --> 00:45:38,869
science technology center then it was

1046
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:41,029
then it was neighing at the National Air

1047
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:44,689
Intelligence Center and in truth about

1048
00:45:50,429 --> 00:45:47,689
fifteen years ago the name changed and

1049
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:50,439
we're still got it was it's it's now the

1050
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,729
it's now the National Air and Space

1051
00:45:58,890 --> 00:45:54,880
Intelligence Center or NASA k-- and

1052
00:46:01,479 --> 00:45:58,900
where this is important is that NASA

1053
00:46:06,299 --> 00:46:01,489
classics whole job like like their

1054
00:46:09,729 --> 00:46:06,309
primary mission is to is to work with

1055
00:46:12,249 --> 00:46:09,739
foreign like like to study and

1056
00:46:14,919 --> 00:46:12,259
investigate and analyze and replicate

1057
00:46:17,709 --> 00:46:14,929
everything from from foreign missile

1058
00:46:20,529 --> 00:46:17,719
systems to event you know a foreign

1059
00:46:22,929 --> 00:46:20,539
rocket systems to studying everything

1060
00:46:27,130 --> 00:46:22,939
from the fuel requirements of a foreign

1061
00:46:29,469 --> 00:46:27,140
aircraft through the the aerial cyber

1062
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:29,479
attack capabilities of foreign aircraft

1063
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,900
to you know the progress of satellite

1064
00:46:37,209 --> 00:46:34,400
development within third-world countries

1065
00:46:45,009 --> 00:46:37,219
or rogue states or or whatever they

1066
00:46:48,429 --> 00:46:45,019
Nasik assic a vital in the in keeping

1067
00:46:53,339 --> 00:46:48,439
America at the absolute forefront of of

1068
00:46:58,419 --> 00:46:53,349
of air and aerospace in space capability

1069
00:47:02,109 --> 00:46:58,429
so it is it would be of no surprise to

1070
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:02,119
me I mean even in the 80s even in the

1071
00:47:07,089 --> 00:47:04,249
80s like like basically project Bluebook

1072
00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:07,099
wound up at the end of 1969 and with

1073
00:47:10,059 --> 00:47:08,900
that the foreign technology division or

1074
00:47:12,219 --> 00:47:10,069
where he had the foreign technology

1075
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:12,229
division apparently washed their hands

1076
00:47:16,329 --> 00:47:15,049
at the UFO topic well since then in the

1077
00:47:19,539 --> 00:47:16,339
seventies and eighties and nineties

1078
00:47:21,579 --> 00:47:19,549
there has been numerous examples where

1079
00:47:23,410 --> 00:47:21,589
the foreign technology division whether

1080
00:47:26,620 --> 00:47:23,420
it be you know the flight services

1081
00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:26,630
squadron or one of the a disruptive

1082
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:28,220
technology mission

1083
00:47:34,660 --> 00:47:31,609
whatever have have come up in UFO law so

1084
00:47:38,770 --> 00:47:34,670
so an example would be nights at 89

1085
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:38,780
a not at 89 so going back to NORAD for a

1086
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,290
second

1087
00:47:43,930 --> 00:47:41,920
NORAD and the Air Force Space Command

1088
00:47:46,839 --> 00:47:43,940
occasionally using something called the

1089
00:47:49,660 --> 00:47:46,849
DSP satellite system occasionally the

1090
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:49,670
DSP satellite system whose job it is to

1091
00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:53,330
detect Nicola Nicola launch that like

1092
00:47:56,589 --> 00:47:54,470
nuclear missile launchers and

1093
00:47:58,660 --> 00:47:56,599
detonations on the Earth's surface

1094
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,670
the DSP space mission would occasionally

1095
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:00,800
pick up these things called fast walkers

1096
00:48:06,010 --> 00:48:04,010
and fast walkers if you believe if you

1097
00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:06,020
believe what is written about them which

1098
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:08,180
is probably true they're fast walkers

1099
00:48:15,130 --> 00:48:12,070
are simply foreign or unknown or

1100
00:48:18,460 --> 00:48:15,140
unexpected subtle other spacecraft that

1101
00:48:20,140 --> 00:48:18,470
get in the field of view of a DSP

1102
00:48:23,140 --> 00:48:20,150
satellite and reflect a lot of sunlight

1103
00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:23,150
so so you've got a DSP satellite looking

1104
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:27,830
down on earth a new Chinese sorry

1105
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:30,490
dinnertime DSP can you clear that out

1106
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:34,430
support program defense Support Program

1107
00:48:39,790 --> 00:48:37,730
satellite and the operated by a Buckley

1108
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:39,800
Air Force Base Colorado story yeah

1109
00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:43,520
Buckley Air Force place and and okay I

1110
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:45,070
think Eglin Air Force Base in Florida

1111
00:48:49,570 --> 00:48:47,480
yeah they they just these these I

1112
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:49,580
suppose constellation of satellites that

1113
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:52,310
look down on surface waiting for waiting

1114
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,510
for new killer blast

1115
00:48:57,820 --> 00:48:56,240
they light detectors they call bang on

1116
00:48:59,650 --> 00:48:57,830
motors they're Logitech sirs are so

1117
00:49:02,620 --> 00:48:59,660
sensitive that they'll even pick up

1118
00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:02,630
forest fires and oil will explosions and

1119
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:05,390
and fireworks factory explosions and and

1120
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:07,670
whatever anyway sometimes here for

1121
00:49:11,770 --> 00:49:09,410
foreign satellite zooms past the field

1122
00:49:16,570 --> 00:49:11,780
of view for a couple of minutes that

1123
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:16,580
data will the the object is called a

1124
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:20,960
fast Walker and and fast Walker data is

1125
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:25,970
handled by is handled by NORAD and the

1126
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:27,830
and the space and the Air Force Space

1127
00:49:38,349 --> 00:49:34,720
Operations Center anyway so like I was

1128
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:38,359
saying before the the the lassic or the

1129
00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:40,380
old foreign technology division

1130
00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:41,819
you wouldn't let you know you wouldn't

1131
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:42,990
think that the foreign technology

1132
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:44,609
division that wright-patterson Air Force

1133
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:53,339
Base would be would be so so look there

1134
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:55,859
their job in unknown object detection

1135
00:50:01,400 --> 00:49:58,440
and tracking has long gone apparently

1136
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:01,410
but it turns out that that that fast

1137
00:50:06,259 --> 00:50:04,559
Walker data so you know direction of

1138
00:50:08,299 --> 00:50:06,269
strange object in space light

1139
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,309
reflectivity of strange object in space

1140
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,559
what made our systems pick it up and not

1141
00:50:14,539 --> 00:50:12,480
others whatever you know cuz fast

1142
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:14,549
walkers have been linked to the UFO

1143
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:16,529
phenomena those who do not believe that

1144
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:18,650
past walkers are just foreign satellites

1145
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:21,480
will call them UFOs our sort of UFOs

1146
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:22,680
anyway

1147
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:25,980
I was quite surprised because it turns

1148
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:28,200
out that fast Walker data is actually

1149
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:31,740
analyzed by the foreign technology

1150
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:35,400
division and one for instance a Jeff

1151
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:38,099
return Richardson's famed book American

1152
00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:40,200
space ascent America's Space Central's

1153
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:42,950
the history of the DSP satellite system

1154
00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:44,940
Jeffrey T Richardson was a was a

1155
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,680
nonfiction author who studied US

1156
00:50:51,859 --> 00:50:49,200
intelligence space surveillance etc he

1157
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:51,869
wrote after interviewing someone who he

1158
00:50:59,509 --> 00:50:53,430
wouldn't name someone obviously it's

1159
00:51:01,160 --> 00:50:59,519
Space Command or he he Richardson wrote

1160
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:01,170
in his book he's nice a ninety nine book

1161
00:51:07,279 --> 00:51:04,140
he wrote quote most fast walkers have

1162
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:07,289
been routine observations of foreign

1163
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:09,569
spacecraft the infrared readings

1164
00:51:14,809 --> 00:51:13,200
obtained by DSP satellites resulting

1165
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:14,819
from the reflection of sunlight of

1166
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:18,150
spacecraft provide analysts at the CIA

1167
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:20,970
dia an Air Force foreign technology

1168
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:23,250
division which is now the national air

1169
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:25,410
Intelligence Center with data on

1170
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:28,380
spacecraft signatures and movements now

1171
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:30,690
that's interesting because we've

1172
00:51:35,749 --> 00:51:33,000
essentially got a UFO situation in space

1173
00:51:38,509 --> 00:51:35,759
being picked up by our early warning

1174
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:38,519
satellites the DSP system right and and

1175
00:51:44,539 --> 00:51:42,089
and fast Walker data they this this data

1176
00:51:47,299 --> 00:51:44,549
like this this actual raw data is being

1177
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:47,309
sent to the CIA of all places the DIA

1178
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:51,420
and the foreign technology division at

1179
00:51:54,340 --> 00:51:53,130
wright-patterson Air Force Base what's

1180
00:51:56,830 --> 00:51:54,350
also interesting is that

1181
00:52:00,280 --> 00:51:56,840
if you if you read ritual sons actual

1182
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:00,290
words he says most fast walkers have

1183
00:52:04,060 --> 00:52:01,850
been retained observations of the

1184
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:04,070
foreign spacecraft what's the most mean

1185
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:06,230
mostly is out of fifty percent fifty one

1186
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:08,330
percent is that a ninety nine percent he

1187
00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:10,610
had Jeffrey T Richardson was very

1188
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:12,440
well-connected he he was talking to

1189
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:14,930
people and everywhere from from maritime

1190
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:17,810
command in Canada through to that the

1191
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,030
the missile warning squadrons up at Cape

1192
00:52:25,930 --> 00:52:22,880
Cod and and wherever and and so he's

1193
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:25,940
written implicitly trust what he says

1194
00:52:30,310 --> 00:52:28,280
and he's saying most fast walkers have

1195
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,320
been detected and and the other point is

1196
00:52:34,930 --> 00:52:32,240
of course is that this information was

1197
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:34,940
going to Air Force foreign technology

1198
00:52:41,380 --> 00:52:37,610
division so there's just one simple

1199
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:41,390
example of of where the UFO sort of

1200
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:44,090
connection may be there with with NASA

1201
00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:47,390
k-- the current you know another another

1202
00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:53,150
example is is there was a thesis written

1203
00:52:59,560 --> 00:52:55,670
in but for the Air Force Institute of

1204
00:53:00,400 --> 00:52:59,570
Technology not at 89 by captain I can't

1205
00:53:04,090 --> 00:53:00,410
even pronounce his name

1206
00:53:05,710 --> 00:53:04,100
I suppose it's odds acts and the thesis

1207
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,720
was called orbit determination of

1208
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:07,760
sunlight illuminated objects detected by

1209
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:10,400
overhead platforms how's that and he

1210
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:14,510
writes he writes that the North American

1211
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:17,330
Aerospace Defense Command tasked the

1212
00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:19,490
foreign technology divisions my

1213
00:53:24,930 --> 00:53:22,070
performance division to analyze these

1214
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:24,940
fifteen to thirty minute data tracks and

1215
00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:27,530
determined they determined the elements

1216
00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:30,340
it and hopefully identifying the object

1217
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:34,760
okay so okay no if I I do you know what

1218
00:53:41,350 --> 00:53:37,520
that means my element set elements it

1219
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,360
means like each object in space that's

1220
00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:43,520
that's not random like so something that

1221
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:45,020
passes earth is a bit random like a

1222
00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:46,910
meteorite or whatever or or you know a

1223
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:49,670
rock in space or something we can't

1224
00:53:52,510 --> 00:53:50,930
track for longer than a few seconds

1225
00:53:53,620 --> 00:53:52,520
whatever but an elements set anything

1226
00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:53,630
that's going round and round the earth

1227
00:53:58,720 --> 00:53:56,060
in an orbit has something called an

1228
00:54:00,550 --> 00:53:58,730
element set and I think it's like a one

1229
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:00,560
of a better word a sixth a six

1230
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:02,930
dimensional which can exist but we'll

1231
00:54:06,809 --> 00:54:04,310
call I think it's called like a six

1232
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:06,819
dimensional a

1233
00:54:12,839 --> 00:54:09,609
display of data so it's like it's like

1234
00:54:16,469 --> 00:54:12,849
it's a version of space azimuth bearing

1235
00:54:19,289 --> 00:54:16,479
heading like it relies on like Kepler's

1236
00:54:21,029 --> 00:54:19,299
law and a Newton's law and and whatever

1237
00:54:22,919 --> 00:54:21,039
it's it's a it's a it's a bunch of

1238
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:22,929
information that tells us where an

1239
00:54:27,089 --> 00:54:24,609
object should be how fast it's going

1240
00:54:28,859 --> 00:54:27,099
well it's escape velocity should be if

1241
00:54:31,409 --> 00:54:28,869
it if it could get away from Earth you

1242
00:54:34,469 --> 00:54:31,419
know how Earth's gravity is pulling it

1243
00:54:36,929 --> 00:54:34,479
down that sort of thing it's yeah and so

1244
00:54:39,059 --> 00:54:36,939
yeah here we've got a situation where I

1245
00:54:40,799 --> 00:54:39,069
don't know and and you know another

1246
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:40,809
example that's important this is the

1247
00:54:46,409 --> 00:54:42,609
foreign technology division which as I

1248
00:54:49,229 --> 00:54:46,419
was saying is now Masek they they they

1249
00:54:51,299 --> 00:54:49,239
were sucking in UFO information in the

1250
00:54:53,819 --> 00:54:51,309
in the early eighties and there was

1251
00:55:00,019 --> 00:54:53,829
actually a raft of UFO sightings in

1252
00:55:02,609 --> 00:55:00,029
northwest China in um in in 1982 and and

1253
00:55:04,529 --> 00:55:02,619
look I think they'll probably that would

1254
00:55:07,409 --> 00:55:04,539
probably missile launchers that had

1255
00:55:08,939 --> 00:55:07,419
failed they'd gone wrong but because

1256
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:08,949
that's just look like the descriptions

1257
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:11,380
of the actual UFOs the UFO going round

1258
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:15,839
in circles with no apparent direction

1259
00:55:21,799 --> 00:55:19,089
whatever the the the anyway the foreign

1260
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:21,809
technology division was was suckling in

1261
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:24,880
newspaper articles magazine articles and

1262
00:55:31,529 --> 00:55:28,169
so on one one was one was a a Chinese

1263
00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:31,539
was like a Chinese paper called first

1264
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:34,630
UFO incident for our country and the

1265
00:55:41,929 --> 00:55:37,599
foreign technology division translated

1266
00:55:45,179 --> 00:55:41,939
it and and and held it as as a documents

1267
00:55:48,179 --> 00:55:45,189
for a reference there was another one

1268
00:55:51,059 --> 00:55:48,189
called the the UFO incident of July 24

1269
00:55:53,909 --> 00:55:51,069
1981 a discussion with comrade Jiang

1270
00:55:56,999 --> 00:55:53,919
Jiang and that was found in a Taiwanese

1271
00:55:59,370 --> 00:55:57,009
newspaper and that was also kept by the

1272
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:59,380
foreign technology division and they

1273
00:56:03,419 --> 00:56:00,880
that those were release some of the

1274
00:56:05,969 --> 00:56:03,429
friend move emotion acts way back in in

1275
00:56:08,189 --> 00:56:05,979
I think the mid eighties and we just

1276
00:56:10,529 --> 00:56:08,199
wonder how many more the work I mean the

1277
00:56:12,149 --> 00:56:10,539
the the I would be very curious to say

1278
00:56:14,729 --> 00:56:12,159
even if the foreign technology division

1279
00:56:18,089 --> 00:56:14,739
or now Masek and not actually doing work

1280
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:18,099
in any way on the UFO topic I'd be still

1281
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:20,040
curious to see what resources

1282
00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:22,170
they've actually kept over the years I'd

1283
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:24,359
be curious to see you know what you'd

1284
00:56:28,070 --> 00:56:26,490
might find an internal email also is

1285
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:28,080
anyone they're interested in the UFO

1286
00:56:35,330 --> 00:56:31,680
topic yes so so that that's it's

1287
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:35,340
definitely possible okay I had a

1288
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:37,470
question for you I don't know if you can

1289
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:41,310
hear me Paul but the question I had for

1290
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:44,220
you is about black helicopters we

1291
00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:48,510
actually had we had your colleague Keith

1292
00:56:55,490 --> 00:56:50,790
pastor field on three weeks ago that was

1293
00:56:58,010 --> 00:56:55,500
a fabulous interview also and he I asked

1294
00:57:00,980 --> 00:56:58,020
him whether he had ever had any research

1295
00:57:04,070 --> 00:57:00,990
that came up with black helicopters also

1296
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:04,080
known as phantom helicopters they take

1297
00:57:07,550 --> 00:57:05,280
their names from the fact they're

1298
00:57:09,580 --> 00:57:07,560
completely black in color and they lack

1299
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:09,590
any and all identifying markings and

1300
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:11,970
they've turned up in alien abduction

1301
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:14,010
cases and cattle mutilation events and

1302
00:57:20,180 --> 00:57:18,480
in late night UFO encounters Meru ported

1303
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:20,190
this stuff since the 60s by the way I

1304
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:23,940
just read that from mr. universe but you

1305
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:26,220
know I've run I've run across this kind

1306
00:57:31,970 --> 00:57:29,369
of story around the world when I've done

1307
00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:31,980
my own research regarding these kind of

1308
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:35,070
topics and people I've actually spoke to

1309
00:57:39,050 --> 00:57:36,480
who said that they've seen black

1310
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:39,060
helicopters themselves who you know

1311
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:42,030
these people know what helicopters look

1312
00:57:46,340 --> 00:57:44,700
like I mean they don't have to be pilots

1313
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:46,350
to know that they don't have any

1314
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:48,210
identifying marks and they look very

1315
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:50,760
strange and they seem to be hovering

1316
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:52,970
over areas that don't seem appropriate

1317
00:57:59,090 --> 00:57:55,890
for the helicopters to be in and they

1318
00:58:03,950 --> 00:57:59,100
also yes or known whether it be myth or

1319
00:58:07,310 --> 00:58:03,960
fact that they are spotted in areas

1320
00:58:09,590 --> 00:58:07,320
where abductions alleged abductions have

1321
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:09,600
taken place and when we asked Keith

1322
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:12,210
about it and he said no regarding

1323
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:15,510
Australia he has had nothing that has

1324
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:18,330
come up regarding black helicopters why

1325
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:21,510
do you think that is why is there are

1326
00:58:26,780 --> 00:58:23,310
there reports around the world around

1327
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:26,790
about that but not with regards to

1328
00:58:31,580 --> 00:58:28,980
Australia

1329
00:58:33,610 --> 00:58:31,590
it's an SI question will I've got some

1330
00:58:36,820 --> 00:58:33,620
good news I got some bad

1331
00:58:41,530 --> 00:58:36,830
I've get like Keith I've I don't think

1332
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:41,540
I've ever heard a single cases or

1333
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:45,440
reports or anecdotes or opinion about

1334
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:47,810
black helicopters in Australia I've

1335
00:58:53,590 --> 00:58:51,890
there I think I think that even even

1336
00:58:55,300 --> 00:58:53,600
something unreliable it's just literally

1337
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,310
like a third-hand story I don't even

1338
00:59:00,040 --> 00:58:57,440
think I've heard that the closest thing

1339
00:59:03,580 --> 00:59:00,050
would be would be the this I think has

1340
00:59:05,530 --> 00:59:03,590
been a few of random UFO sightings in

1341
00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:05,540
Australia where helicopters have

1342
00:59:09,970 --> 00:59:07,400
happened to be there later and and

1343
00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:09,980
whether they be black or unidentifiable

1344
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:12,950
or phantom helicopters don't know it

1345
00:59:16,060 --> 00:59:14,390
could be search-and-rescue helicopters

1346
00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:16,070
could be just a coincidence I actually

1347
00:59:23,020 --> 00:59:19,790
do not know I know and the other the

1348
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:23,030
other thing is I actually I don't know

1349
00:59:31,570 --> 00:59:25,850
enough about the topic anymore I would

1350
00:59:34,270 --> 00:59:31,580
say to to sort of be able to answer why

1351
00:59:35,830 --> 00:59:34,280
it would occur in in one part of the

1352
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,840
world and not others other than I mean

1353
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,480
the the logical example is that like

1354
00:59:42,010 --> 00:59:39,920
helicopters or mystery or phantom

1355
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:42,020
helicopters are being operated by some

1356
00:59:47,620 --> 00:59:46,160
sort of shadow or face government or

1357
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:47,630
quasi government organization or

1358
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:51,770
whatever I don't know well the the good

1359
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:55,760
news is is this I know I speak to every

1360
01:00:01,320 --> 00:59:57,680
single day almost every single day I

1361
01:00:04,180 --> 01:00:01,330
speak to the author of a book that

1362
01:00:05,830 --> 01:00:04,190
brought black helicopters or mystery

1363
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:05,840
helicopters to the attention of the

1364
01:00:10,420 --> 01:00:08,810
American public and that author is a guy

1365
01:00:14,290 --> 01:00:10,430
called Barry Greenwood he's based in

1366
01:00:17,470 --> 01:00:14,300
Boston in the early eighties or the late

1367
01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:17,480
70s there was a number of all the is or

1368
01:00:22,330 --> 01:00:20,030
was a number of researchers in the

1369
01:00:25,420 --> 01:00:22,340
United States which started absolutely

1370
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,430
panelling the US military and

1371
01:00:29,590 --> 01:00:27,440
intelligence community with Freedom of

1372
01:00:32,260 --> 01:00:29,600
Information requests usually with great

1373
01:00:34,050 --> 01:00:32,270
success many of those Freedom of

1374
01:00:36,790 --> 01:00:34,060
Information requests made it into

1375
01:00:39,070 --> 01:00:36,800
newsletters and one famed book which

1376
01:00:40,690 --> 01:00:39,080
I'll discuss in a minute and many many

1377
01:00:42,450 --> 01:00:40,700
of the results of those FOI requests

1378
01:00:44,490 --> 01:00:42,460
literally still languishing

1379
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:44,500
and filing cabinets to this day and

1380
01:00:48,690 --> 01:00:46,329
we're just starting to see them now and

1381
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:48,700
they some of the contents of them are

1382
01:00:52,530 --> 01:00:51,010
just unbelievable and that's why I write

1383
01:00:55,799 --> 01:00:52,540
my blog to try and get this stuff out

1384
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:55,809
but anyway in the 70s

1385
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:58,720
Barry Greenwood Brad sparks Lawrence

1386
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:01,119
force at Todd Circle and particularly

1387
01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:04,930
Robert Todd were were were submitting

1388
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:07,150
successfully submitting and and having

1389
01:01:13,460 --> 01:01:10,450
or submitting FOI requests engaging in

1390
01:01:15,569 --> 01:01:13,470
Appeals a bunch of lawsuits even and

1391
01:01:20,339 --> 01:01:15,579
actually ultimately getting UFO

1392
01:01:23,579 --> 01:01:20,349
documents out in in by 1983 those guys

1393
01:01:28,109 --> 01:01:23,589
that I just mentioned had 5,000 pages of

1394
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:28,119
UFO records that dated from after the

1395
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:29,680
end of Project Blue Book for had

1396
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:31,569
finished so the US government at

1397
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:33,010
military and intelligence level

1398
01:01:37,290 --> 01:01:35,470
particularly it's sort of at naught you

1399
01:01:41,250 --> 01:01:37,300
know with NORAD and and the 8th Air

1400
01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:41,260
Force and and and the the FAA and so on

1401
01:01:45,230 --> 01:01:42,940
had had been generating huge amounts of

1402
01:01:48,510 --> 01:01:45,240
UFO but you know analyzing reports

1403
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:48,520
developing policy in whatever anyway

1404
01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:52,270
Mary Barry teamed up with a with a

1405
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:53,740
researcher called by the name of

1406
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,410
Lawrence Fawcett and indices that so

1407
01:02:02,010 --> 01:01:59,200
basically they Lawrence for certain

1408
01:02:05,130 --> 01:02:02,020
Barry Greenwood and and Robert Todd had

1409
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:05,140
so much so much documentation pouring in

1410
01:02:09,780 --> 01:02:07,210
from government agencies much of much of

1411
01:02:11,849 --> 01:02:09,790
which like I said he still has still

1412
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:11,859
never been published anyway they decided

1413
01:02:15,809 --> 01:02:14,230
they couldn't handle it they think they

1414
01:02:17,819 --> 01:02:15,819
could literally not keep up but see back

1415
01:02:19,530 --> 01:02:17,829
then there was no internet no blogs even

1416
01:02:21,660 --> 01:02:19,540
long-distance phone calls couldn't do it

1417
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:21,670
too expensive and so what they what

1418
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,290
Lawrence force it and Mary grant decided

1419
01:02:27,329 --> 01:02:25,599
to do was actually write a book and they

1420
01:02:29,849 --> 01:02:27,339
wrote a book and it's called clear it

1421
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:29,859
well the original version of it was

1422
01:02:34,890 --> 01:02:32,170
called clear intent and was published in

1423
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:34,900
1984 it was republished in the 90s as

1424
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:37,210
the UFO cover-up what the government

1425
01:02:41,549 --> 01:02:38,890
will not say but anyway the original

1426
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:41,559
book was clear intent and in their page

1427
01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:45,450
after page after page after page of

1428
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:49,559
detailed reports from sheriff's and from

1429
01:02:56,339 --> 01:02:53,710
aviation people farmers Highway Patrol

1430
01:02:58,380 --> 01:02:56,349
people right down to Indian Reservation

1431
01:03:01,009 --> 01:02:58,390
and everything of these mysterious black

1432
01:03:05,489 --> 01:03:01,019
helicopters particularly peeking in

1433
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:05,499
1973-74 particularly 1975 dwindling off

1434
01:03:13,289 --> 01:03:09,970
in 1976 now when writing this book Barry

1435
01:03:15,180 --> 01:03:13,299
Greenwood took on certain tasks and

1436
01:03:16,859 --> 01:03:15,190
Lawrence Forsyth took on other tasks

1437
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:16,869
Lawrence Foster unfortunately is

1438
01:03:24,329 --> 01:03:20,890
deceased he he was the he was the god we

1439
01:03:26,370 --> 01:03:24,339
as the pair went he was the guy that did

1440
01:03:28,859 --> 01:03:26,380
the work did the analysis work and the

1441
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:28,869
you know did the obtaining of reports

1442
01:03:35,009 --> 01:03:31,569
about these black helicopters Barry was

1443
01:03:36,839 --> 01:03:35,019
more inclined to write about all or or

1444
01:03:41,819 --> 01:03:36,849
pick and choose what's put in the the

1445
01:03:44,339 --> 01:03:41,829
book in regards to government documents

1446
01:03:47,759 --> 01:03:44,349
and you know the blood lemon what who

1447
01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:47,769
not to believe and so on but so a really

1448
01:03:51,529 --> 01:03:49,180
really really good reference if you go

1449
01:03:55,019 --> 01:03:51,539
if you want to go right back to early

1450
01:03:57,690 --> 01:03:55,029
1970s era black helicopter or phantom

1451
01:03:59,489 --> 01:03:57,700
helicopter reports and and and and and

1452
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:59,499
response to those reports you know that

1453
01:04:05,309 --> 01:04:02,079
head scratching the phone calls the

1454
01:04:07,289 --> 01:04:05,319
alerts at military bases the the the way

1455
01:04:10,410 --> 01:04:07,299
tabloid articles treated the phenomena

1456
01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:10,420
in the 70s clear intent is a fantastic

1457
01:04:15,509 --> 01:04:12,460
resource and the good thing is Barry has

1458
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:15,519
kept everything so you know if you if

1459
01:04:22,170 --> 01:04:18,400
anyone was if chant if you're curious I

1460
01:04:26,249 --> 01:04:22,180
suppose about about black helicopters

1461
01:04:28,589 --> 01:04:26,259
did Barry and some of his some of the

1462
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,599
rest of us have have fantastic early

1463
01:04:34,910 --> 01:04:30,880
information handwritten letters hat you

1464
01:04:38,009 --> 01:04:34,920
know even Christmas cards mention them

1465
01:04:39,809 --> 01:04:38,019
draft copies of books whatever so but to

1466
01:04:41,370 --> 01:04:39,819
answer your question I don't know I just

1467
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:41,380
don't know enough about it anymore I

1468
01:04:45,450 --> 01:04:43,599
used to look at it a bit there was

1469
01:04:47,729 --> 01:04:45,460
mysterious helicopter sightings actually

1470
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:47,739
in Vietnam to the point where of course

1471
01:04:51,390 --> 01:04:49,390
during the Vietnam War you were always

1472
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:51,400
going to have mysterious helicopters

1473
01:04:55,170 --> 01:04:52,930
you're going to have unmarked

1474
01:04:57,180 --> 01:04:55,180
helicopters operated by the Viet Cong or

1475
01:04:59,700 --> 01:04:57,190
the North Vietnamese or maybe the

1476
01:05:02,700 --> 01:04:59,710
Chinese army air forces ground forces

1477
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,710
you're gonna have black helicopters

1478
01:05:07,319 --> 01:05:04,960
doing search and rescue for commandos or

1479
01:05:09,450 --> 01:05:07,329
you're gonna have CIA black helicopters

1480
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:09,460
whatever but some of them very quite

1481
01:05:13,050 --> 01:05:10,210
detail

1482
01:05:15,570 --> 01:05:13,060
ports from the Vietnam War from the like

1483
01:05:18,990 --> 01:05:15,580
the force mechanized infantry or or the

1484
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:19,000
third Marine the fourth third Marine

1485
01:05:23,310 --> 01:05:21,609
Corps whatever some of these reports of

1486
01:05:25,579 --> 01:05:23,320
these mysterious helicopters go even

1487
01:05:28,020 --> 01:05:25,589
beyond that level of weirdness you know

1488
01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:28,030
helicopters that for all intents and

1489
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:30,070
purposes simply should not be in a

1490
01:05:34,620 --> 01:05:32,050
certain place in a certain time or or

1491
01:05:36,660 --> 01:05:34,630
helicopters that the American ground

1492
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:36,670
forces would actually blast with

1493
01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:39,160
howitzers and machine gunfire these

1494
01:05:44,070 --> 01:05:41,950
helicopters would be sane to land the

1495
01:05:46,260 --> 01:05:44,080
landing site where they you know in a

1496
01:05:48,359 --> 01:05:46,270
valley or something would be blasted

1497
01:05:51,650 --> 01:05:48,369
from miles away by Harrods afire with

1498
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:51,660
direct and successful hits and then the

1499
01:05:55,980 --> 01:05:53,890
servicemen would go down there in

1500
01:05:57,900 --> 01:05:55,990
platoons and find that the ground was

1501
01:05:59,609 --> 01:05:57,910
all burnt but there was nothing there no

1502
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,619
dead a helicopter no smashed-up

1503
01:06:03,390 --> 01:06:01,839
helicopter and that's odd

1504
01:06:05,070 --> 01:06:03,400
we've got piles of this sort of

1505
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,080
paperwork it's really really old it's

1506
01:06:08,820 --> 01:06:07,119
it's really mysterious some for though

1507
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:08,830
it's very old it's very hard to talk to

1508
01:06:14,010 --> 01:06:11,890
people when you know the the event

1509
01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:14,020
occurred fifty-five years ago or

1510
01:06:18,060 --> 01:06:16,630
something yes so there you go right

1511
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:18,070
thank you very much for having covered

1512
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:19,210
that I just want to let our listeners

1513
01:06:27,089 --> 01:06:24,250
know is that there's a UK UFO researcher

1514
01:06:29,010 --> 01:06:27,099
by the name of Toni Dodd the late Toni

1515
01:06:31,980 --> 01:06:29,020
Dodd he would actually claim that these

1516
01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:31,990
helicopters were carrying possibly

1517
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:33,700
top-secret response teams whose job was

1518
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:35,770
it to recover down to UFOs and her

1519
01:06:40,820 --> 01:06:38,530
evidence of cattle mutilation and it

1520
01:06:42,839 --> 01:06:40,830
might even be possible according to Dodd

1521
01:06:44,670 --> 01:06:42,849
regarding his research that they would

1522
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:44,680
even retrieve and cover up evidence of

1523
01:06:50,700 --> 01:06:48,490
human cattle mutilation moving along

1524
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:50,710
regarding the black helicopter topic

1525
01:06:55,710 --> 01:06:53,010
just also wanted to mention is that

1526
01:06:59,130 --> 01:06:55,720
there might be shape-shifting alien

1527
01:07:02,070 --> 01:06:59,140
technology of regarding that and it's

1528
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:02,080
not really spoken much about in that

1529
01:07:07,620 --> 01:07:05,160
manner but the UFO and well-known

1530
01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:07,630
researcher and author Nick Redfern

1531
01:07:13,170 --> 01:07:11,080
claimed to have had collected over 20

1532
01:07:16,740 --> 01:07:13,180
cases and witness reports stating

1533
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:16,750
exactly that kind of topic regarding

1534
01:07:22,829 --> 01:07:19,410
possible black helicopters

1535
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:22,839
shape-shifting and there was even MUFON

1536
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:24,160
reports regarding

1537
01:07:29,309 --> 01:07:27,130
strange black helicopter events and that

1538
01:07:32,009 --> 01:07:29,319
were reported to them so it's just a

1539
01:07:34,589 --> 01:07:32,019
really interesting topic moving along I

1540
01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:34,599
wanted to ask you Paul about field

1541
01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:37,150
reports from cases like the Nimitz case

1542
01:07:46,289 --> 01:07:39,369
for example where do you think those

1543
01:07:47,999 --> 01:07:46,299
field reports go yeah Paul just to jump

1544
01:07:50,130 --> 01:07:48,009
in here we get there these anecdotes

1545
01:07:52,890 --> 01:07:50,140
from credible sources who were on the

1546
01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:52,900
ship saying you know this Nimitz case

1547
01:07:57,719 --> 01:07:54,729
happened that we they had an Air Force

1548
01:07:59,309 --> 01:07:57,729
guy and maybe some plainclothes guys as

1549
01:08:01,799 --> 01:07:59,319
well I can't recall but at least an Air

1550
01:08:04,469 --> 01:08:01,809
Force guy on the ship very shortly

1551
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:04,479
thereafter picking up data bricks and

1552
01:08:12,839 --> 01:08:06,880
taking them somewhere you have any idea

1553
01:08:15,779 --> 01:08:12,849
where that somewhere my yeah I guess I

1554
01:08:19,229 --> 01:08:15,789
could I could probably think of a

1555
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:19,239
chronological list that I mean okay and

1556
01:08:24,209 --> 01:08:20,409
that particular case happened on the

1557
01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:24,219
west coast so yeah I suppose somewhat

1558
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:29,980
logically Vandenberg Air Force Base has

1559
01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:35,199
an incredible ability or an incredible I

1560
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:39,790
suppose incredible resources computers

1561
01:08:45,229 --> 01:08:41,710
supercomputers technical people

1562
01:08:47,879 --> 01:08:45,239
scientists boffins with glasses

1563
01:08:49,979 --> 01:08:47,889
Vandenberg band in Vandenberg is at the

1564
01:08:53,519 --> 01:08:49,989
forefront of object detection in space

1565
01:08:56,669 --> 01:08:53,529
they are at the forefront of of safety

1566
01:08:59,010 --> 01:08:56,679
like air safety and space launch safety

1567
01:09:00,479 --> 01:08:59,020
I could not think of certainly on the

1568
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:00,489
west coast that and Los Angeles air

1569
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:02,650
force base but but on the on the west

1570
01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:06,489
coast somewhere like either Vandenberg

1571
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:08,500
or Edwards anywhere with extraordinary

1572
01:09:14,099 --> 01:09:12,489
technical capability that there's look I

1573
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:14,109
don't you know I don't know that there's

1574
01:09:18,539 --> 01:09:15,730
there's there's there's one organization

1575
01:09:19,859 --> 01:09:18,549
called the 84th radar evaluation

1576
01:09:21,329 --> 01:09:19,869
squadron they're actually based on the

1577
01:09:24,990 --> 01:09:21,339
other side of the country at Langley in

1578
01:09:27,419 --> 01:09:25,000
Langley Virginia and they 84th radar

1579
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:27,429
evaluation squadron there their job is

1580
01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:31,839
to analyze like analyze radar data for

1581
01:09:35,819 --> 01:09:33,670
safety and statistical purposes for

1582
01:09:38,729 --> 01:09:35,829
training and evaluation

1583
01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:38,739
so so that would as far as radar data

1584
01:09:45,209 --> 01:09:42,089
goes the 84th radar evaluation squadron

1585
01:09:47,129 --> 01:09:45,219
in Virginia or I think it used to be at

1586
01:09:48,959 --> 01:09:47,139
Hill Air Force Base in Utah and I think

1587
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:48,969
now it's in Virginia but anyway they

1588
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,239
would be very very good probably the

1589
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:53,920
most likely in place I would have

1590
01:09:59,009 --> 01:09:56,590
thought would be for for Salem limits

1591
01:10:01,319 --> 01:09:59,019
case event I I would have thought would

1592
01:10:02,879 --> 01:10:01,329
be the probably the best case if not

1593
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,889
Vandenberg or Edwards I would have

1594
01:10:06,959 --> 01:10:04,719
thought NASA quit that I was talking

1595
01:10:09,569 --> 01:10:06,969
about before because NASA --ks their six

1596
01:10:12,629 --> 01:10:09,579
job is to understand mean for all for

1597
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:12,639
all we know I mean that the limits event

1598
01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:14,050
I mean just straight after it happened

1599
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:16,780
if US Air Force non-commissioned

1600
01:10:20,489 --> 01:10:18,880
officers are warrants you know officers

1601
01:10:22,259 --> 01:10:20,499
whatever if they were on the if they did

1602
01:10:25,859 --> 01:10:22,269
get to the ship and if they did request

1603
01:10:27,180 --> 01:10:25,869
and and and hijack you know radar tapes

1604
01:10:29,970 --> 01:10:27,190
hard drives

1605
01:10:32,009 --> 01:10:29,980
copies of visual footage voice

1606
01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:32,019
recordings from plane to plane voice

1607
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:34,030
recordings from plane to ship whatever

1608
01:10:38,189 --> 01:10:36,369
if they if they commandeered this stuff

1609
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,199
and squirreled it away

1610
01:10:42,899 --> 01:10:40,719
I would have thought maybe maybe

1611
01:10:45,149 --> 01:10:42,909
multiple places if they can make copies

1612
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:45,159
of everything but one place one place

1613
01:10:49,709 --> 01:10:46,530
definitely would be now ii mean nasa

1614
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:49,719
classics job in its squadron and group

1615
01:10:55,020 --> 01:10:52,530
level their mission is to understand and

1616
01:10:56,970 --> 01:10:55,030
foreign or unexpected technology their

1617
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:56,980
mission is to understand disruptive

1618
01:11:01,770 --> 01:10:59,679
technology or game-changing technology

1619
01:11:04,830 --> 01:11:01,780
that goes out decades there they

1620
01:11:07,709 --> 01:11:04,840
certainly have the ability in in things

1621
01:11:09,930 --> 01:11:07,719
like metallurgy and and and and and

1622
01:11:11,549 --> 01:11:09,940
flight dynamics and aeronautics if you

1623
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:11,559
look at if you look at nasa --kx if you

1624
01:11:14,970 --> 01:11:13,510
look at people that will work at nasa if

1625
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:14,980
you look I'll even don't Leah so you go

1626
01:11:19,709 --> 01:11:18,130
to LinkedIn you type in NASA and aside

1627
01:11:21,089 --> 01:11:19,719
from all that you know that IT people

1628
01:11:23,069 --> 01:11:21,099
and the payroll people and the

1629
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:23,079
administrative people and write to

1630
01:11:27,209 --> 01:11:25,449
answer you know like waste disposal

1631
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:27,219
people aside from them forget them that

1632
01:11:31,589 --> 01:11:28,960
the the people that actually work there

1633
01:11:34,919 --> 01:11:31,599
are everyone from flight dynamicists to

1634
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:34,929
aeronautical experts and astrodynamics

1635
01:11:40,290 --> 01:11:38,320
a various people in in in in within

1636
01:11:44,009 --> 01:11:40,300
within the physical sciences like

1637
01:11:45,930 --> 01:11:44,019
atmospheric physics metallurgy cutting

1638
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:45,940
it cutting edge electrical and

1639
01:11:50,770 --> 01:11:47,890
electromagnetic

1640
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:50,780
Sciences whatever that would be the

1641
01:11:58,420 --> 01:11:52,489
place to take data that would be the

1642
01:12:00,670 --> 01:11:58,430
place to take data I reckon okay yeah I

1643
01:12:01,810 --> 01:12:00,680
have a question for you Paul Dean thank

1644
01:12:04,270 --> 01:12:01,820
you so much for having covered that

1645
01:12:07,330 --> 01:12:04,280
topic I wanted to know if you ever have

1646
01:12:10,270 --> 01:12:07,340
come across even any anecdotal reports

1647
01:12:12,670 --> 01:12:10,280
regarding men in black also the

1648
01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:12,680
black-eyed children and that's a topic

1649
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,230
that's covered often in ufology and

1650
01:12:21,370 --> 01:12:17,600
there's people from all around the world

1651
01:12:23,650 --> 01:12:21,380
who don't even know each other who have

1652
01:12:26,290 --> 01:12:23,660
stories to tell with regards to men in

1653
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:26,300
black who have a very strange aura about

1654
01:12:30,610 --> 01:12:26,710
them

1655
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:30,620
the reports are they vary but the idea

1656
01:12:37,540 --> 01:12:33,920
is the same a report an example might be

1657
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:37,550
that a black eyed men a men in black

1658
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:40,489
might be wearing a seemingly all new

1659
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:42,910
suit and they appear from out of nowhere

1660
01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:47,090
with a black Cadillac that appears to be

1661
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:49,390
new from like the 50s or the 60s and

1662
01:12:55,959 --> 01:12:52,610
they come to harass witnesses to a UFO

1663
01:12:57,459 --> 01:12:55,969
event and they have very strange and

1664
01:12:59,260 --> 01:12:57,469
should behavior about them they seem

1665
01:13:02,010 --> 01:12:59,270
very aggressive the extreme they ask

1666
01:13:04,959 --> 01:13:02,020
strange questions and then they also

1667
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:04,969
seemingly disappear - just as oddly as

1668
01:13:11,050 --> 01:13:07,370
they showed up regarding the black-eyed

1669
01:13:12,970 --> 01:13:11,060
children the black-eyed kids they also

1670
01:13:14,350 --> 01:13:12,980
have strange stories of folks who are

1671
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:14,360
all around the world don't even know

1672
01:13:18,250 --> 01:13:15,410
each other

1673
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:18,260
mentioned that there's kids that show up

1674
01:13:23,860 --> 01:13:20,449
out of nowhere trying to mesmerize them

1675
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:23,870
or hypnotize them into getting folks to

1676
01:13:29,950 --> 01:13:27,050
succumb to to their wishes and then

1677
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:29,960
later on folks described strange events

1678
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:33,110
that occur to them that are you know bad

1679
01:13:39,939 --> 01:13:37,610
luck divorces financial ruin things like

1680
01:13:41,229 --> 01:13:39,949
that have you come across any stories

1681
01:13:42,459 --> 01:13:41,239
like that that you've collected over the

1682
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:42,469
many years of research that you've done

1683
01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:46,480
I haven't I certainly would have books

1684
01:13:52,450 --> 01:13:50,840
on these topics I do know about them of

1685
01:13:54,670 --> 01:13:52,460
course I mean they're in UFO lore they

1686
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:54,680
the men in black the black hole the

1687
01:13:58,419 --> 01:13:56,090
black-eyed children-- thing now that is

1688
01:14:00,410 --> 01:13:58,429
so far from what I do that's not funny

1689
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:00,420
but the men in black

1690
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:02,850
me you know like I mean it just

1691
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:05,130
distracts me from NORAD and Vietnam War

1692
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:07,020
and whatever but the men in black

1693
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:09,930
phenomena East it's it's been reported

1694
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:12,090
with some degree of reliability for a

1695
01:14:15,650 --> 01:14:14,010
very long time I don't even know when it

1696
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:15,660
started I mean that's the work of John

1697
01:14:22,190 --> 01:14:19,290
keel discussed early on even Richard

1698
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:22,200
Hall the great researcher was open the

1699
01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:24,900
possibility look this goes back my

1700
01:14:33,380 --> 01:14:31,110
forestalled days I've never encountered

1701
01:14:36,260 --> 01:14:33,390
it in Australia I've never heard I mean

1702
01:14:39,050 --> 01:14:36,270
yes we've had reports and they're really

1703
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:39,060
quite unreliable with totally utterly on

1704
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:41,370
stems we're we think we do get these

1705
01:14:45,140 --> 01:14:43,620
stories and I think a lot of the

1706
01:14:46,460 --> 01:14:45,150
witnesses especially in the Nimitz case

1707
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:46,470
but some others that are a lot more

1708
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:49,410
reliable something happens somebody

1709
01:14:55,340 --> 01:14:51,810
shows up from somewhere people are

1710
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:55,350
debriefed evidences accumulated and

1711
01:15:00,230 --> 01:14:56,100
taken away

1712
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:00,240
those are pretty common and a lot more

1713
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:02,760
credible I would think yeah I mean I

1714
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:04,770
would yeah of course I mean if you just

1715
01:15:10,940 --> 01:15:07,920
look look I do know one thing I can tell

1716
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:10,950
you is that is that some some some

1717
01:15:15,860 --> 01:15:12,510
listeners will remember that there was a

1718
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:15,870
very influential civilian hobbyist

1719
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:19,050
whatever UFO group in the 60s mostly it

1720
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:21,570
was very very famed in the 60s into the

1721
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:23,490
70s called nycap which national

1722
01:15:27,470 --> 01:15:24,570
investigative committee for oral

1723
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:27,480
phenomena it was it was a civilian UFO

1724
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:29,550
group had a huge number of members

1725
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:31,530
generated a lot of excellent paper work

1726
01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:34,440
they analyzed your photographs and I had

1727
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:37,470
symposiums and whatever well some I do

1728
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:40,290
know that some nycap kneecap nycap

1729
01:15:45,650 --> 01:15:42,780
whatever I'll say nycap some nycap

1730
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:45,660
members it like the did UFO field

1731
01:15:52,030 --> 01:15:48,590
investigation have over there has been

1732
01:15:56,330 --> 01:15:52,040
reported to be a rather overzealous and

1733
01:15:59,420 --> 01:15:56,340
and that I believe that was cases where

1734
01:16:01,880 --> 01:15:59,430
when NICAP when I kept volunteers who

1735
01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:01,890
who were investigating local UFO cases

1736
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:05,490
or or whatever were a little over

1737
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:07,260
zealous and would go to people's homes

1738
01:16:12,260 --> 01:16:10,800
and and you know in in nice suits and

1739
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:12,270
and pretend to me all you know

1740
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:14,050
authoritative and you

1741
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:16,290
not discuss where they're from very very

1742
01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:19,090
without a lot of probing and and so on

1743
01:16:23,819 --> 01:16:21,670
and this this could intimidate people

1744
01:16:25,589 --> 01:16:23,829
III don't know I mean what I'm so I

1745
01:16:28,049 --> 01:16:25,599
suppose I'm saying is that there are

1746
01:16:30,990 --> 01:16:28,059
certainly will be a few few examples

1747
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:31,000
through in American history where we're

1748
01:16:36,629 --> 01:16:35,050
completely innocuous real people just

1749
01:16:39,149 --> 01:16:36,639
happen to be in black suits and tires

1750
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:39,159
and a black car have rocked up so you

1751
01:16:42,660 --> 01:16:40,690
have a look at people's photographs or

1752
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:42,670
to interrogate their children about a

1753
01:16:47,010 --> 01:16:45,280
UFO and I saw last week or whatever and

1754
01:16:48,569 --> 01:16:47,020
but I mean of course I know that the

1755
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:48,579
stories are a lot richer than that in

1756
01:16:53,010 --> 01:16:50,530
that you know something claimed claims

1757
01:16:55,859 --> 01:16:53,020
have been consistently made that in MO

1758
01:16:58,290 --> 01:16:55,869
B's they rock up very quickly they you

1759
01:16:59,939 --> 01:16:58,300
know they they ring the house first

1760
01:17:02,160 --> 01:16:59,949
before they get there and just hang up

1761
01:17:04,109 --> 01:17:02,170
there in a brand new car you know that's

1762
01:17:06,180 --> 01:17:04,119
not wet even though it's pouring raining

1763
01:17:08,189 --> 01:17:06,190
summer hair all the grounds you know

1764
01:17:09,629 --> 01:17:08,199
they've been driven up a dirt road or

1765
01:17:12,629 --> 01:17:09,639
something a little [\h__\h] up to it on the

1766
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:12,639
car I've heard that one you know I don't

1767
01:17:17,819 --> 01:17:14,290
know I just don't know enough about it

1768
01:17:19,049 --> 01:17:17,829
the the the the that it's too it's too

1769
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:19,059
hard to quantify

1770
01:17:23,010 --> 01:17:21,130
you know what other than the report from

1771
01:17:25,049 --> 01:17:23,020
the witnessed some cells other from them

1772
01:17:26,339 --> 01:17:25,059
from the from the family who say look

1773
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:26,349
you know we've got to tell this story

1774
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:28,480
three months ago we saw a UFO and then

1775
01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:29,770
these men in black appeared I mean

1776
01:17:33,330 --> 01:17:31,750
that's all you've got to go on like you

1777
01:17:35,729 --> 01:17:33,340
don't have more to go on that you don't

1778
01:17:38,850 --> 01:17:35,739
have data like actual instrumented data

1779
01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:38,860
you don't have a chronology like a like

1780
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:40,329
a witness statement of first men and

1781
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:42,400
black immediately after they they left a

1782
01:17:45,810 --> 01:17:44,230
house you don't have any idea where

1783
01:17:47,490 --> 01:17:45,820
they're supposedly from there's a dozen

1784
01:17:48,209 --> 01:17:47,500
theories about where I came from and

1785
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:48,219
where they go

1786
01:17:51,870 --> 01:17:50,409
it's like black helicopters you know say

1787
01:17:53,790 --> 01:17:51,880
they're real right well where do they go

1788
01:17:55,379 --> 01:17:53,800
where do they refuel who's running all

1789
01:17:57,390 --> 01:17:55,389
this phantom helicopters well you know

1790
01:17:59,459 --> 01:17:57,400
what are the pilots tell it wives every

1791
01:18:01,470 --> 01:17:59,469
night it just doesn't make sense like it

1792
01:18:01,950 --> 01:18:01,480
it's yes there is probably something to

1793
01:18:08,069 --> 01:18:01,960
it

1794
01:18:12,750 --> 01:18:08,079
this what I'm trying to say certainly

1795
01:18:14,850 --> 01:18:12,760
not my area as far as the military cases

1796
01:18:16,979 --> 01:18:14,860
a civilian you're not gonna Bluff your

1797
01:18:21,149 --> 01:18:16,989
way onto an airport space and find out

1798
01:18:23,370 --> 01:18:21,159
what the pilot saw that's totally

1799
01:18:25,890 --> 01:18:23,380
different situation I'm very curious as

1800
01:18:26,830 --> 01:18:25,900
to the way you're explaining it it seems

1801
01:18:28,990 --> 01:18:26,840
like this day

1802
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,000
is pretty fragmented it's all over the

1803
01:18:33,580 --> 01:18:31,520
place one hand I doesn't see how you

1804
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:33,590
know what the others doing I don't think

1805
01:18:38,620 --> 01:18:35,090
you think that's the case who do you

1806
01:18:41,589 --> 01:18:38,630
think it all goes hand up so I've never

1807
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:41,599
felt I have never will look I've never

1808
01:18:46,169 --> 01:18:44,719
felt ever that there is one massive you

1809
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:46,179
know multi-million dollar

1810
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:48,730
multi-generational repository for every

1811
01:18:55,540 --> 01:18:54,050
UFO case events detection false alarm

1812
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:55,550
whatever you know somewhere hiding in

1813
01:19:00,459 --> 01:18:57,110
the bowels of NORAD or whatever we are

1814
01:19:02,350 --> 01:19:00,469
finding that consistently over the years

1815
01:19:04,629 --> 01:19:02,360
and I've got so many examples on paper

1816
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:04,639
that NORAD and the US Air Force and the

1817
01:19:09,820 --> 01:19:07,090
US Navy do have reporting regulations

1818
01:19:12,490 --> 01:19:09,830
like operatory reporting service

1819
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:12,500
reporting miran reporting Hana reporting

1820
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:15,050
I'm gonna go into these on in my next

1821
01:19:20,350 --> 01:19:17,510
blog post actually there is that there

1822
01:19:22,990 --> 01:19:20,360
are so many methods of reporting UFOs of

1823
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:23,000
sequestering information faxing it or

1824
01:19:28,060 --> 01:19:25,520
mailing it with urgency by an old naval

1825
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:28,070
speed lever letter in the 60s or or now

1826
01:19:34,030 --> 01:19:30,320
it's an on prep three formated serious

1827
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:34,040
event message now or or a a sitrep navy

1828
01:19:38,919 --> 01:19:36,770
blue message or whatever that there is

1829
01:19:41,050 --> 01:19:38,929
there are so many ways and yes some of

1830
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:41,060
the final destinations of UFO reports

1831
01:19:45,970 --> 01:19:44,510
are the Air Force service watch cell

1832
01:19:47,470 --> 01:19:45,980
which I'll be discussing in my next blog

1833
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:47,480
the National Military Command Center

1834
01:19:54,850 --> 01:19:50,330
their J 2 or J 3 operations slash

1835
01:19:57,399 --> 01:19:54,860
intelligence area now SiC maybe NORAD's

1836
01:20:00,729 --> 01:19:57,409
old we think old center for aerospace

1837
01:20:03,879 --> 01:20:00,739
analysis which I talked about before the

1838
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:03,889
FI is I'm a system look there is

1839
01:20:06,970 --> 01:20:05,449
multiple places what I'm more interested

1840
01:20:10,780 --> 01:20:06,980
in though and this is something that

1841
01:20:14,350 --> 01:20:10,790
that is is very important is is that if

1842
01:20:16,450 --> 01:20:14,360
US Air Force officers got on the the

1843
01:20:18,370 --> 01:20:16,460
Nimitz all or its support ships the

1844
01:20:21,310 --> 01:20:18,380
Princeton whatever if they got on their

1845
01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:21,320
hours or days after the the main tik tak

1846
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:24,110
event it's not so much the fact that

1847
01:20:27,129 --> 01:20:25,520
it's a means of course it is very

1848
01:20:28,359 --> 01:20:27,139
important to know who they were where

1849
01:20:30,490 --> 01:20:28,369
they were from how they got there and

1850
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:30,500
and where they took the information what

1851
01:20:34,899 --> 01:20:32,449
they took that is important what I'm

1852
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:34,909
curious to know is is how how the US Air

1853
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:36,290
Force were even involved in the first

1854
01:20:40,209 --> 01:20:38,510
place did the captain or that you know

1855
01:20:40,990 --> 01:20:40,219
dick commander or the or the vice

1856
01:20:43,420 --> 01:20:41,000
captain of

1857
01:20:45,250 --> 01:20:43,430
ship ships did they call the US air

1858
01:20:47,740 --> 01:20:45,260
force in and through what channel

1859
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:47,750
through through through Washington DC

1860
01:20:51,090 --> 01:20:49,310
for headquarters or did they do a direct

1861
01:20:53,950 --> 01:20:51,100
look with a direct communications link

1862
01:20:56,710 --> 01:20:53,960
to Los Angeles air force base or San

1863
01:20:58,810 --> 01:20:56,720
Diego Naval Air Station or whatever did

1864
01:21:01,000 --> 01:20:58,820
the it was the case that the u.s. air

1865
01:21:02,860 --> 01:21:01,010
force were listening in on the pilots

1866
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:02,870
pilot and Paul to ship communications

1867
01:21:06,430 --> 01:21:04,370
during the event and I was so curious

1868
01:21:08,410 --> 01:21:06,440
that they simply had to get on that ship

1869
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:08,420
and sequest copies of the data you know

1870
01:21:13,060 --> 01:21:10,310
did was it a case that there are already

1871
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:13,070
US Air Force officers I mean I would not

1872
01:21:17,710 --> 01:21:14,810
be surprised when let's face it the US

1873
01:21:20,260 --> 01:21:17,720
Navy is operating planes the same types

1874
01:21:22,110 --> 01:21:20,270
of planes operated by the US Air Force

1875
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:22,120
you know it's it's just one big family

1876
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:24,890
so I wouldn't be surprised if the Nimitz

1877
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:26,510
being a shipper fleet you know carry

1878
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:29,050
5,000 people are two or three of them

1879
01:21:33,540 --> 01:21:31,250
representatives like liaison or focal

1880
01:21:35,470 --> 01:21:33,550
point people special security officers

1881
01:21:38,530 --> 01:21:35,480
technical people from the United States

1882
01:21:41,380 --> 01:21:38,540
Air Force why not I mean the the the the

1883
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:41,390
United States Air Force has naval I mean

1884
01:21:45,220 --> 01:21:43,130
any United States Air Force Base that's

1885
01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:45,230
on a coastline has Coast Guard and naval

1886
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:49,490
people at the base so why not I mean is

1887
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:51,490
it not inconceivable that a US Navy ship

1888
01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:54,530
somewhere in that in top till all those

1889
01:21:58,420 --> 01:21:56,510
ships will not have a single US Air

1890
01:22:00,970 --> 01:21:58,430
Force officer that either got wind of

1891
01:22:02,770 --> 01:22:00,980
the the tic-tock events or was actually

1892
01:22:05,470 --> 01:22:02,780
involved from the very start of course

1893
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:05,480
of course US Air Force would know about

1894
01:22:10,990 --> 01:22:09,290
it in that case another one is to do

1895
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:11,000
just the United States Navy in that

1896
01:22:17,290 --> 01:22:13,130
particular carrier group do they

1897
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:17,300
communicate advice that a lot like the

1898
01:22:20,380 --> 01:22:19,040
actual voice communications and telex

1899
01:22:22,060 --> 01:22:20,390
daily communications like general

1900
01:22:23,980 --> 01:22:22,070
correspondence communications through

1901
01:22:26,590 --> 01:22:23,990
satellite and someone at Buckley Air

1902
01:22:28,750 --> 01:22:26,600
Force Base or NORAD headquarters or

1903
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:28,760
whatever someone's listening in in the

1904
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:30,770
conversation for certain it's like

1905
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:33,920
emergency alert new killer object

1906
01:22:38,230 --> 01:22:36,650
attack offensive you know any key word

1907
01:22:40,690 --> 01:22:38,240
that can be picked up by a super super

1908
01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:40,700
computer along the way could could could

1909
01:22:45,190 --> 01:22:42,710
alert the right people that's something

1910
01:22:49,390 --> 01:22:45,200
very very very troubling is going on off

1911
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:49,400
the coast of America yeah Paul thank you

1912
01:22:53,709 --> 01:22:50,930
very much for having covered that topic

1913
01:22:57,070 --> 01:22:53,719
I had a question for you the

1914
01:22:58,810 --> 01:22:57,080
the equivalent for NORAD in Russia is

1915
01:23:02,260 --> 01:22:58,820
called the main center for missile

1916
01:23:04,270 --> 01:23:02,270
attack warning I wanted to know the main

1917
01:23:05,950 --> 01:23:04,280
center for missile attack warning the

1918
01:23:09,630 --> 01:23:05,960
NORAD equivalent which is a Russian

1919
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:09,640
equivalent of NORAD have you had any

1920
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:13,850
research come up about that at all no

1921
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:15,770
and I would really really like to I know

1922
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:18,890
that aerospace and aerospace warning and

1923
01:23:22,689 --> 01:23:20,719
control every sovereignty like

1924
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:22,699
long-range warning and control in in

1925
01:23:29,470 --> 01:23:25,850
Russia and and space verification space

1926
01:23:31,870 --> 01:23:29,480
watching in Russia is I know that I've

1927
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:31,880
forgotten that term and and like that

1928
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:33,710
the name you just gave and I know in the

1929
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:37,730
past it was it was part of or or or or

1930
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:40,400
an adjunct organization of for Soviet I

1931
01:23:43,540 --> 01:23:41,810
think it was Soviet strategic rocket

1932
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:43,550
forces but although Russian strategic

1933
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:46,250
rocket forces but all I know is that

1934
01:23:50,650 --> 01:23:48,530
their space tracking and long-range air

1935
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:50,660
air aerospace tracking capabilities are

1936
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:52,130
very impressive they're not at the level

1937
01:23:56,620 --> 01:23:54,050
of the United States and Canada there's

1938
01:23:57,100 --> 01:23:56,630
no way that you know the land masses too

1939
01:23:59,020 --> 01:23:57,110
enormous

1940
01:24:00,850 --> 01:23:59,030
their weather is absolutely atrocious

1941
01:24:03,370 --> 01:24:00,860
half their riders are only turned on six

1942
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:03,380
months of the year I'd say their

1943
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:05,210
computers of five years behind but the

1944
01:24:10,780 --> 01:24:08,239
point is is that no unfortunately I wish

1945
01:24:13,810 --> 01:24:10,790
I wish we had correspondence and contact

1946
01:24:17,890 --> 01:24:13,820
with with with with Russian researchers

1947
01:24:20,110 --> 01:24:17,900
it's not actual retired Russian military

1948
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:20,120
officers themselves I wish we had a

1949
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:21,650
correspondence and a working

1950
01:24:25,900 --> 01:24:23,840
relationship with them so even if we

1951
01:24:28,780 --> 01:24:25,910
could just get the odd rumor out let

1952
01:24:30,130 --> 01:24:28,790
alone you know hard data but no and

1953
01:24:32,020 --> 01:24:30,140
that's actually a very good question and

1954
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:32,030
and some someone will have to tackle

1955
01:24:35,890 --> 01:24:34,370
that issue one day yeah yeah I don't

1956
01:24:37,540 --> 01:24:35,900
think we'll get any information on that

1957
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:37,550
because of course that would probably be

1958
01:24:43,150 --> 01:24:40,880
classified and jump but anyway just want

1959
01:24:44,530 --> 01:24:43,160
to let everybody know that the main

1960
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:44,540
Center for missile attack warning was

1961
01:24:49,150 --> 01:24:47,120
formed in December of 2009 and since

1962
01:24:50,530 --> 01:24:49,160
December 2011 it's been a part of the

1963
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:50,540
Space Command of the Russian aerospace

1964
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:53,210
defense forces together with facilities

1965
01:25:00,100 --> 01:24:56,810
such as 8820 first main space

1966
01:25:02,500 --> 01:25:00,110
Intelligence Center and the 153rd t-top

1967
01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:02,510
main space testing center wanted to move

1968
01:25:06,849 --> 01:25:05,750
on to another topic Paul please correct

1969
01:25:10,060 --> 01:25:06,859
me if I'm

1970
01:25:12,699 --> 01:25:10,070
but I'm pretty sure that you may have

1971
01:25:16,989 --> 01:25:12,709
covered the topic of intelligence before

1972
01:25:20,199 --> 01:25:16,999
and that would be intelligence agents

1973
01:25:22,089 --> 01:25:20,209
now we're going to be wrapping up this

1974
01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:22,099
show here pretty soon but I still want

1975
01:25:27,279 --> 01:25:24,649
to cover this topic a little bit I

1976
01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:27,289
wanted to ask you is it correct to say

1977
01:25:32,859 --> 01:25:29,689
that you were able to uncover

1978
01:25:35,589 --> 01:25:32,869
information regarding and in possible

1979
01:25:38,259 --> 01:25:35,599
intelligence or confirmed alleged

1980
01:25:40,810 --> 01:25:38,269
confirmed intelligence agent Richard

1981
01:25:43,869 --> 01:25:40,820
Doty a regarding the FOIA requests that

1982
01:25:45,609 --> 01:25:43,879
she made on him many years ago and my

1983
01:25:49,089 --> 01:25:45,619
understanding is that you actually

1984
01:25:51,129 --> 01:25:49,099
uncovered more documents than anybody

1985
01:25:56,290 --> 01:25:51,139
has ever been able to uncover regarding

1986
01:25:58,359 --> 01:25:56,300
Doty is that correct yes no no IIIi

1987
01:26:02,409 --> 01:25:58,369
that's I'm not taking the credit for

1988
01:26:08,290 --> 01:26:02,419
that no what happened was Richard okay

1989
01:26:12,459 --> 01:26:08,300
so some time ago like okay so so as we

1990
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:12,469
know Richard Doty was a noncommissioned

1991
01:26:18,189 --> 01:26:15,679
officer with the well he was stationed

1992
01:26:19,869 --> 01:26:18,199
at various places in sin in in squadrons

1993
01:26:21,909 --> 01:26:19,879
security roles and and and

1994
01:26:23,799 --> 01:26:21,919
counterintelligence roles right down to

1995
01:26:27,489 --> 01:26:23,809
right down to things like apparently

1996
01:26:28,929 --> 01:26:27,499
doing drink like I don't know what you

1997
01:26:32,859 --> 01:26:28,939
call in your country but I think you

1998
01:26:35,229 --> 01:26:32,869
call it DUI or something he was he was

1999
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:35,239
he was even doing um you know drink

2000
01:26:40,199 --> 01:26:37,010
driving testing on bases so we're not

2001
01:26:44,020 --> 01:26:40,209
exactly talking about a polished spooky

2002
01:26:46,689 --> 01:26:44,030
now Dodi don't the thing is don't it

2003
01:26:48,219 --> 01:26:46,699
don't he was tasked and served with the

2004
01:26:52,419 --> 01:26:48,229
officer mayor for special investigation

2005
01:26:55,119 --> 01:26:52,429
most famously and he look it's been

2006
01:26:57,699 --> 01:26:55,129
actually extremely difficult for anyone

2007
01:26:59,679 --> 01:26:57,709
to get hold of his service records he

2008
01:27:01,029 --> 01:26:59,689
was with the Air Force for 20 years he

2009
01:27:03,429 --> 01:27:01,039
was a noncommissioned officer I think

2010
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:03,439
for 20 years and he we moved around a

2011
01:27:07,540 --> 01:27:05,570
lot he was in Germany and everywhere but

2012
01:27:08,290 --> 01:27:07,550
what actually happened with that I dunno

2013
01:27:15,609 --> 01:27:08,300
what you're talking about

2014
01:27:17,979 --> 01:27:15,619
um okay many years ago a researcher and

2015
01:27:20,380 --> 01:27:17,989
this is something has perplexes me but a

2016
01:27:22,510 --> 01:27:20,390
researcher by the name of Larry bro okay

2017
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:22,520
before before everyone was concerned

2018
01:27:26,530 --> 01:27:24,890
about privacy or more so concerned about

2019
01:27:30,010 --> 01:27:26,540
privacy that it was stifling and

2020
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:30,020
strangling strangulating the that we

2021
01:27:34,990 --> 01:27:32,690
used to be able to researchers used to

2022
01:27:36,970 --> 01:27:35,000
be able to get service records

2023
01:27:38,740 --> 01:27:36,980
maybe not medical or health records with

2024
01:27:43,060 --> 01:27:38,750
certainly service records you know

2025
01:27:45,670 --> 01:27:43,070
awards given ceremonies a promotional

2026
01:27:47,710 --> 01:27:45,680
information whatever we were able to get

2027
01:27:50,770 --> 01:27:47,720
we were able to get such information on

2028
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:50,780
servicemen from from actually national

2029
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:52,490
records and personnel center in San Luis

2030
01:27:56,110 --> 01:27:54,890
and they have alternate places you can

2031
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,120
ask through like at Lackland Air Force

2032
01:28:01,420 --> 01:27:57,920
Base in Texas at the personnel center

2033
01:28:03,220 --> 01:28:01,430
and so on but but but if you if you were

2034
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:03,230
patient and you gave enough information

2035
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:05,450
if you wrote a letter to Santa Lewis

2036
01:28:10,810 --> 01:28:08,510
asking for the service records of a

2037
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:10,820
particular officer or you know

2038
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:13,010
noncommissioned officer or otherwise

2039
01:28:17,470 --> 01:28:15,920
military personnel they would with some

2040
01:28:20,380 --> 01:28:17,480
level of reductions definitely they

2041
01:28:24,850 --> 01:28:20,390
would actually release service records

2042
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:24,860
in any way not in in 1987 or early 1988

2043
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:27,410
I'm not sure which one researcher Larry

2044
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,090
Bryant who it was a good was a good foi

2045
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:35,120
researcher in the 80s he submitted a

2046
01:28:37,630 --> 01:28:36,530
Freedom of Information request to the

2047
01:28:39,850 --> 01:28:37,640
office of the secretary of the Air Force

2048
01:28:42,940 --> 01:28:39,860
for a copy of Richard D'Oyly service

2049
01:28:44,740 --> 01:28:42,950
records anyway the chief of information

2050
01:28:52,420 --> 01:28:44,750
release at the office of Air for Special

2051
01:28:57,220 --> 01:28:52,430
Investigation actually I guess released

2052
01:28:59,380 --> 01:28:57,230
released to Larry a series of records

2053
01:29:02,890 --> 01:28:59,390
about Richard Doty and then Larry also

2054
01:29:04,540 --> 01:29:02,900
went to the 1606 Air Base Wing at

2055
01:29:06,970 --> 01:29:04,550
Kirkland Air Force Base to ask for

2056
01:29:09,850 --> 01:29:06,980
current records well tony was actually

2057
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:09,860
working there and anyway so Larry

2058
01:29:16,090 --> 01:29:13,520
actually got out 33 pages of documents

2059
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:16,100
so the AFOSI service records and the air

2060
01:29:22,630 --> 01:29:19,370
base wing records of rich Dodi these

2061
01:29:24,700 --> 01:29:22,640
these 33 pages of service records were

2062
01:29:26,470 --> 01:29:24,710
given to him and what perplexes me is

2063
01:29:27,790 --> 01:29:26,480
Larry Bryant never published them he

2064
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:27,800
didn't put them in a newsletter he

2065
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:29,120
didn't offer them to other researchers

2066
01:29:34,430 --> 01:29:31,010
as far as I know they never made it into

2067
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:34,440
a book and so anyway they were

2068
01:29:39,020 --> 01:29:36,690
they were given over the years some

2069
01:29:40,610 --> 01:29:39,030
maybe 10 years ago that those service

2070
01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:40,620
records were given to an author

2071
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:42,540
Christian Lambert and the Christian

2072
01:29:46,460 --> 01:29:44,370
Lambright gave them to me and I

2073
01:29:48,530 --> 01:29:46,470
published them on my blog like I asked

2074
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:48,540
everyone was really perplexed why no one

2075
01:29:52,010 --> 01:29:50,610
had done this before so I published them

2076
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:52,020
on my blog so you could say I was the

2077
01:29:55,700 --> 01:29:53,850
first person to openly publish them so

2078
01:29:57,260 --> 01:29:55,710
everyone could you know review them but

2079
01:29:59,180 --> 01:29:57,270
I wasn't the guy that got them out no

2080
01:30:00,890 --> 01:29:59,190
you know and but it leads me on to one

2081
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:00,900
thing is that now now that we can show

2082
01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:03,210
that so many came out years ago maybe we

2083
01:30:06,980 --> 01:30:04,710
can actually have another crack at it

2084
01:30:09,410 --> 01:30:06,990
and and and and see you know maybe

2085
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:09,420
though he himself would like to see his

2086
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:13,410
own separate service records yeah I'm

2087
01:30:17,180 --> 01:30:15,330
glad you brought up Lurie Bryant I just

2088
01:30:18,860 --> 01:30:17,190
wanted to let everybody know that he's

2089
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:18,870
been involved in researching this topic

2090
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:22,800
of ufology for 50 or 60 years he did

2091
01:30:29,810 --> 01:30:24,570
actually work for the government and his

2092
01:30:31,010 --> 01:30:29,820
website is UFO view tumblr.com UFO view

2093
01:30:32,990 --> 01:30:31,020
tumblr.com

2094
01:30:35,330 --> 01:30:33,000
please go check that out he is an

2095
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:35,340
excellent researcher just like Paul Dean

2096
01:30:40,580 --> 01:30:37,650
he's been a little bit longer than he

2097
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:40,590
has and I did actually call him up to

2098
01:30:46,460 --> 01:30:42,690
ask him to do an interview yeah and that

2099
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:46,470
was probably earlier in the year but I

2100
01:30:53,330 --> 01:30:50,210
never did get a call back from him why

2101
01:30:55,190 --> 01:30:53,340
he's I don't know I'm supposed to say

2102
01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:55,200
that but he's not well yeah well one

2103
01:31:00,620 --> 01:30:57,300
would imagine so he's probably getting

2104
01:31:02,420 --> 01:31:00,630
along in years and you know we need to

2105
01:31:05,210 --> 01:31:02,430
give him credit because that is one

2106
01:31:06,260 --> 01:31:05,220
person who is very little-known he's

2107
01:31:09,530 --> 01:31:06,270
kept under the radar

2108
01:31:11,900 --> 01:31:09,540
he hasn't sensationalized his research

2109
01:31:13,550 --> 01:31:11,910
and he really should have afforded to

2110
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:13,560
himself a little bit more credit because

2111
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:16,050
out of everybody I know aside from

2112
01:31:21,890 --> 01:31:17,850
yourself keep Bastyr field

2113
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:21,900
Isaac coy many others but he actually is

2114
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:25,410
right up there with yourself regarding

2115
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:27,330
having been one of the best researchers

2116
01:31:32,630 --> 01:31:29,850
of all time in ufology and other

2117
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:32,640
phenomena regarding Richard Doty I just

2118
01:31:35,810 --> 01:31:34,170
wanted to bring to your attention will

2119
01:31:39,710 --> 01:31:35,820
last thing if you look him up on the CIA

2120
01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:39,720
archives website you'll see a few pages

2121
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:44,340
there regarding him as far as folks

2122
01:31:48,050 --> 01:31:46,080
trying to find out more information on

2123
01:31:50,300 --> 01:31:48,060
him which has been denied

2124
01:31:52,250 --> 01:31:50,310
repeatedly I wanted to read just a

2125
01:31:54,530 --> 01:31:52,260
little bit about that from the CIA

2126
01:31:56,690 --> 01:31:54,540
archives as far as what kind of response

2127
01:31:59,390 --> 01:31:56,700
to gave and that is just a very short

2128
01:32:01,790 --> 01:31:59,400
amount of information on December 7 2007

2129
01:32:03,980 --> 01:32:01,800
the office of information Privacy

2130
01:32:07,310 --> 01:32:03,990
coordinator received this person's

2131
01:32:09,260 --> 01:32:07,320
request on Richard Doty and it says

2132
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:09,270
specifically or requesting information

2133
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:11,280
on the CIA use of the services for any

2134
01:32:15,620 --> 01:32:13,110
reason or employment of this individual

2135
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:15,630
and then it goes on to say that the

2136
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:17,130
information you're asking for must be

2137
01:32:21,260 --> 01:32:19,050
denied to you since it is classified

2138
01:32:24,260 --> 01:32:21,270
under the provisions of such-and-such

2139
01:32:27,050 --> 01:32:24,270
executive order and so on and it goes on

2140
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:27,060
to cite more sections and why they

2141
01:32:32,180 --> 01:32:30,000
cannot give that information and they

2142
01:32:35,420 --> 01:32:32,190
just refuse to give any information on

2143
01:32:37,340 --> 01:32:35,430
it now I happen to believe that the

2144
01:32:39,620 --> 01:32:37,350
reason why folks got more information on

2145
01:32:41,500 --> 01:32:39,630
Richard Doty when they did is because

2146
01:32:45,410 --> 01:32:41,510
they asked at a much earlier time than

2147
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:45,420
2007 so that's great isn't it yep I'm

2148
01:32:51,050 --> 01:32:47,040
actually quite impressed that you know

2149
01:32:53,660 --> 01:32:51,060
about that the CIA the CIA indeed I know

2150
01:32:55,420 --> 01:32:53,670
the researcher who actually submitted

2151
01:32:57,800 --> 01:32:55,430
that very request you just mentioned in

2152
01:32:59,600 --> 01:32:57,810
2007 there was actually there was

2153
01:33:01,610 --> 01:32:59,610
actually five letters that went back and

2154
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:01,620
forward not just one well obviously not

2155
01:33:06,350 --> 01:33:04,290
just one but I know the researcher that

2156
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:06,360
actually submitted that and he just gave

2157
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:10,560
up and that was fine but it looks like

2158
01:33:14,420 --> 01:33:12,930
he gave up I'm what yeah yeah yeah he

2159
01:33:17,450 --> 01:33:14,430
there was actually five letters going

2160
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:17,460
back and forward and the it does appear

2161
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:19,440
when you read it in a certain way like

2162
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:20,850
you just read that then that's that's

2163
01:33:25,940 --> 01:33:23,360
the key line but it does appear that

2164
01:33:27,470 --> 01:33:25,950
they sort of admitted that yeah we do

2165
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:27,480
have records on Richard C Doty but we

2166
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:28,650
could obviously can't release them

2167
01:33:33,020 --> 01:33:30,960
you know it's privacy the other thing is

2168
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:33,030
you gotta understand B I mean my instant

2169
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:35,130
reaction was oh my god you know Doty

2170
01:33:40,270 --> 01:33:37,890
worked for or was loaned to the CIA for

2171
01:33:43,550 --> 01:33:40,280
whatever reason it may simply be

2172
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:43,560
something really an oculus like like you

2173
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:45,450
know it might be well you know the the

2174
01:33:49,010 --> 01:33:47,730
the documents that they that they have

2175
01:33:52,490 --> 01:33:49,020
that they're that they're choosing to

2176
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:52,500
deny releasing maybe like letters to the

2177
01:33:56,810 --> 01:33:54,930
CIA from Richard Doty himself you know

2178
01:33:58,640 --> 01:33:56,820
they could be they could be sort of like

2179
01:34:00,770 --> 01:33:58,650
synopsises of the whole Richard Doty

2180
01:34:01,550 --> 01:34:00,780
story or they could be a request that

2181
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:01,560
someone from the

2182
01:34:09,290 --> 01:34:07,410
a you know like trying it try and work

2183
01:34:11,740 --> 01:34:09,300
with Richard Doty or I don't know what

2184
01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:11,750
it doesn't necessarily mean that

2185
01:34:16,670 --> 01:34:15,150
Richards only actually I guess work for

2186
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:16,680
them or this you know we're talking

2187
01:34:21,740 --> 01:34:18,570
about thousands of pages here I def I

2188
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:21,750
don't think we will be but you know yeah

2189
01:34:26,570 --> 01:34:23,610
just for the folks listening at Richard

2190
01:34:29,480 --> 01:34:26,580
Doty is a widely believed to be the

2191
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:29,490
person responsible at least in part for

2192
01:34:38,030 --> 01:34:32,330
material like the mj-12 documents and

2193
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:38,040
the serpent material and I just wanted

2194
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:40,380
to bring up something that's still kind

2195
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:41,730
of related to what we're talking about

2196
01:34:45,410 --> 01:34:43,530
just kind of go back a little bit and

2197
01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:45,420
that is regarding Larry Bryant he's

2198
01:34:53,930 --> 01:34:51,000
known for having had a case a legal case

2199
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:53,940
that was ended up in the CIA CIA

2200
01:34:59,660 --> 01:34:56,730
archives and that strange court case was

2201
01:35:02,120 --> 01:34:59,670
titled an application has been filed in

2202
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:02,130
court here demanding that the Air Force

2203
01:35:05,300 --> 01:35:03,360
released the remains of the

2204
01:35:07,370 --> 01:35:05,310
extraterrestrial being or beings it is

2205
01:35:11,210 --> 01:35:07,380
alleged to be holding in secret custody

2206
01:35:13,670 --> 01:35:11,220
Pentagon officials said that is an

2207
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:13,680
article that was written on the legal

2208
01:35:19,130 --> 01:35:16,080
case and that Larry Bryant brought

2209
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:19,140
against the US government insisting that

2210
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:21,330
there were ETS being held against their

2211
01:35:25,490 --> 01:35:23,610
will and that was a curious article that

2212
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:25,500
was written for Reuters published July

2213
01:35:28,970 --> 01:35:27,210
fourteenth nineteen eighty-three details

2214
01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:28,980
an alleged abduction of extraterrestrial

2215
01:35:34,460 --> 01:35:31,710
creatures by the US government and I

2216
01:35:37,670 --> 01:35:34,470
just wanted to also let him folks know a

2217
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:37,680
little bit more about the enigma called

2218
01:35:42,290 --> 01:35:40,410
mr. Larry Bryant and that is he was a

2219
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:42,300
former director for the Washington DC

2220
01:35:47,690 --> 01:35:44,760
office of citizens against UFO secrecy

2221
01:35:49,310 --> 01:35:47,700
as Paul Dean knows so well he was also a

2222
01:35:49,970 --> 01:35:49,320
civilian federal employee for over

2223
01:35:51,770 --> 01:35:49,980
thirty years

2224
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:51,780
Bryant has researched the area of

2225
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:53,610
ufology for many years from his home in

2226
01:35:57,980 --> 01:35:56,010
Alexandria Virginia he has published

2227
01:35:59,780 --> 01:35:57,990
hundreds of articles in these reports

2228
01:36:02,210 --> 01:35:59,790
range from personal long sought after

2229
01:36:03,740 --> 01:36:02,220
FOIA requests his other reports are

2230
01:36:05,660 --> 01:36:03,750
empirical investigative research

2231
01:36:08,810 --> 01:36:05,670
regarding ufology in extraterrestrial

2232
01:36:11,150 --> 01:36:08,820
subject matters and his Brian his

2233
01:36:13,550 --> 01:36:11,160
extensive blog can be found on tumblr as

2234
01:36:15,530 --> 01:36:13,560
I said and the article detailing this

2235
01:36:17,180 --> 01:36:15,540
extraordinary court case about extra

2236
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:17,190
Errol's and US military can be found in

2237
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:20,880
the CIA archives or the 7,000 word

2238
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:22,650
article I wrote on the CIA which you can

2239
01:36:27,790 --> 01:36:24,210
actually go to chant Hannity

2240
01:36:30,380 --> 01:36:27,800
wordpress.com and look up that CIA

2241
01:36:33,530 --> 01:36:30,390
article I wrote which includes Larry

2242
01:36:36,620 --> 01:36:33,540
Bryant and many many other stories

2243
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:36,630
having to do with CIA intelligence Paul

2244
01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:38,730
we really wanted to thank you for having

2245
01:36:43,580 --> 01:36:41,490
come onto our show and wanted to let

2246
01:36:46,460 --> 01:36:43,590
everybody know about your website and

2247
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:46,470
that is UFOs documenting the evidence

2248
01:36:51,230 --> 01:36:48,960
dot blog spot.com I'm going to input

2249
01:36:54,050 --> 01:36:51,240
that in the chat so everybody knows

2250
01:36:56,620 --> 01:36:54,060
where to go again it's UFOs documenting

2251
01:37:00,800 --> 01:36:56,630
the evidence blogspot.com

2252
01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:00,810
in the video description as well right

2253
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:02,400
and I did want to let Paul know

2254
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:03,810
something that's really important

2255
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:05,730
Paul you know what you really need to be

2256
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:08,250
thanked for all of the hard work you've

2257
01:37:14,540 --> 01:37:12,080
done you've done you put your heart

2258
01:37:17,060 --> 01:37:14,550
basically blood sweat and tears your

2259
01:37:17,810 --> 01:37:17,070
soul into your work it's a thankless

2260
01:37:21,020 --> 01:37:17,820
task

2261
01:37:24,230 --> 01:37:21,030
I'm sure you've put all kinds of not

2262
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:24,240
just money you know but all kinds of

2263
01:37:29,410 --> 01:37:26,370
energy and time regarding what you do

2264
01:37:32,060 --> 01:37:29,420
hundreds probably thousands of hours

2265
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:32,070
spent and want to thank you for having

2266
01:37:39,340 --> 01:37:34,530
done that and lightened and educated the

2267
01:37:42,140 --> 01:37:39,350
UFO community for so many years that's

2268
01:37:45,110 --> 01:37:42,150
exactly what Andy's thankless it's very

2269
01:37:47,480 --> 01:37:45,120
very dry sometimes incredibly very slow

2270
01:37:49,940 --> 01:37:47,490
very boring you've got a remember you've

2271
01:37:51,110 --> 01:37:49,950
got to have a really acute memory and

2272
01:37:53,780 --> 01:37:51,120
that that's that can be actually very

2273
01:37:56,150 --> 01:37:53,790
draining but no thank you for giving me

2274
01:37:58,610 --> 01:37:56,160
the opportunity sure to come on the show

2275
01:38:00,350 --> 01:37:58,620
yeah it was good it was good I never

2276
01:38:02,690 --> 01:38:00,360
know what time is it like what time is

2277
01:38:04,250 --> 01:38:02,700
it time it's about quarter of its about

2278
01:38:06,650 --> 01:38:04,260
quarter of ten my time I think it's

2279
01:38:10,730 --> 01:38:06,660
quarter of 7:00 in the evening chant

2280
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:10,740
time it is alright alright thank you

2281
01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:13,920
okay thanks so much I appreciate your

2282
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:15,960
time Paul and you know you've got a

2283
01:38:20,900 --> 01:38:18,210
strong geek following you know you might

2284
01:38:23,410 --> 01:38:20,910
not have tens of thousands of fans but

2285
01:38:27,380 --> 01:38:23,420
you've got your hardcore fans know Chris

2286
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:27,390
highlighted really very roughly on it

2287
01:38:32,030 --> 01:38:28,530
like you know

2288
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:32,040
like it's it's it's it is and it's very

2289
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:35,130
very hard to do what I do and there's

2290
01:38:40,700 --> 01:38:37,890
very few people doing it like yeah

2291
01:38:42,620 --> 01:38:40,710
anyway well thank you very much it's

2292
01:38:44,750 --> 01:38:42,630
it's a special calling but we surely do

2293
01:38:55,810 --> 01:38:44,760
appreciate it thanks so much Paul thank

2294
01:39:02,990 --> 01:38:59,870
so another successful show in the books

2295
01:39:05,570 --> 01:39:03,000
J Hannah what do you think fantastic

2296
01:39:07,610 --> 01:39:05,580
that's exciting and up you know I just

2297
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,620
am so impressed with Paul you know I

2298
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:09,600
just also wanted to mention that UFO

2299
01:39:16,850 --> 01:39:13,050
Congress this year I believe they might

2300
01:39:18,860 --> 01:39:16,860
be doing a a vote on researcher of the

2301
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:18,870
year and so that's gonna be really

2302
01:39:23,810 --> 01:39:21,330
exciting to find out who they're going

2303
01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:23,820
to vote for personally there's a few

2304
01:39:28,820 --> 01:39:26,040
people I wanted to mention that I think

2305
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:28,830
deserve the vote if there is a

2306
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:31,410
possibility regarding voting on many

2307
01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:33,360
people at once in other words they all

2308
01:39:37,970 --> 01:39:36,450
get the trophy did you make it they

2309
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:37,980
should make it special this year like

2310
01:39:41,300 --> 01:39:39,600
they did with that Walt Disney Oscar

2311
01:39:45,620 --> 01:39:41,310
where they gave the the big Oscar and

2312
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:45,630
then the little dwarf Oscars right yeah

2313
01:39:52,010 --> 01:39:48,000
yeah and the folks that I would vote for

2314
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:52,020
are Paul Dean Keith pastor field Issac

2315
01:40:00,920 --> 01:39:55,050
coy hands down all these folks and then

2316
01:40:03,770 --> 01:40:00,930
also the the wonderful but low-key Larry

2317
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:03,780
Bryant who has to be the quietest

2318
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:06,690
researcher of all and then I would say

2319
01:40:12,650 --> 01:40:08,130
Paul Dean is after that he's an

2320
01:40:14,510 --> 01:40:12,660
extremely quiet guy and I am pulling for

2321
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:14,520
with all due respect to Paul I am

2322
01:40:21,860 --> 01:40:20,130
pulling for Dave Beatty yes came for

2323
01:40:24,710 --> 01:40:21,870
came from out of nowhere came from

2324
01:40:27,380 --> 01:40:24,720
nowhere actually and not really you'd

2325
01:40:30,710 --> 01:40:27,390
been in the UFOs for a while took a took

2326
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:30,720
a step back then jump back in and he has

2327
01:40:35,900 --> 01:40:34,530
had a great year for a second it's

2328
01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:35,910
really important everybody understand

2329
01:40:42,079 --> 01:40:38,910
what Frank means by that not as he did a

2330
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:42,089
wonderful documentary and that is

2331
01:40:47,209 --> 01:40:45,209
only an one known of its kind and he did

2332
01:40:49,489 --> 01:40:47,219
that it's USS new Mets encounter and

2333
01:40:51,649 --> 01:40:49,499
it's about that tic-tac event that

2334
01:40:54,559 --> 01:40:51,659
occurred and that we've been talking

2335
01:40:56,989 --> 01:40:54,569
about and that actually hit Amazon I

2336
01:40:59,719 --> 01:40:56,999
think it was was it early last late last

2337
01:41:03,049 --> 01:40:59,729
year yeah it was it was on YouTube late

2338
01:41:05,719 --> 01:41:03,059
last year and it picked up almost a

2339
01:41:08,919 --> 01:41:05,729
million and a half views eventually a

2340
01:41:11,719 --> 01:41:08,929
matter of weeks now that is astounding

2341
01:41:13,790 --> 01:41:11,729
he's not making a dime off that by the

2342
01:41:15,829 --> 01:41:13,800
way you know and he put so many hours

2343
01:41:19,309 --> 01:41:15,839
into that he's such a wonderful person

2344
01:41:20,959 --> 01:41:19,319
also all these folks are so yes Dave

2345
01:41:23,209 --> 01:41:20,969
baby for sure are there any other

2346
01:41:24,829 --> 01:41:23,219
researchers you'd like to bring up those

2347
01:41:26,540 --> 01:41:24,839
are the guys I mean there there are some

2348
01:41:28,339 --> 01:41:26,550
others out there who have come along and

2349
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:28,349
that have done a really good job but

2350
01:41:33,409 --> 01:41:32,010
let's you know in the end there can only

2351
01:41:37,309 --> 01:41:33,419
be one just like the Highlander

2352
01:41:39,859 --> 01:41:37,319
tournament so we will see we will see

2353
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:39,869
what the UFO Congress comes up with but

2354
01:41:44,239 --> 01:41:41,489
yeah they couldn't go wrong with either

2355
01:41:47,059 --> 01:41:44,249
Dave or Paul or Keith no question about

2356
01:41:48,859 --> 01:41:47,069
that over the last year or so no doubt

2357
01:41:51,469 --> 01:41:48,869
about it they've had very very good

2358
01:41:53,029 --> 01:41:51,479
years yeah I wanted to bring up an

2359
01:41:55,339 --> 01:41:53,039
interesting topic which we'll just talk

2360
01:41:57,559 --> 01:41:55,349
about briefly because I know you want to

2361
01:41:59,959 --> 01:41:57,569
wrap this up soon but UFO Fest which is

2362
01:42:02,540 --> 01:41:59,969
McMinnville I think that's Oregon

2363
01:42:03,829 --> 01:42:02,550
they're gonna be holding that I think

2364
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:03,839
it's gonna be this weekend they're gonna

2365
01:42:07,549 --> 01:42:05,280
have some really interesting speakers

2366
01:42:09,770 --> 01:42:07,559
there I wanted to mention what speakers

2367
01:42:13,309 --> 01:42:09,780
they are because they have a speaker

2368
01:42:16,609 --> 01:42:13,319
that absolutely astounded me that is

2369
01:42:18,649 --> 01:42:16,619
going to be there it's Bob Lazar Bob

2370
01:42:20,959 --> 01:42:18,659
Lazar former government physicists

2371
01:42:23,779 --> 01:42:20,969
alleged government physicists he made

2372
01:42:26,299 --> 01:42:23,789
headlines as everybody knows in the late

2373
01:42:29,389 --> 01:42:26,309
80s he came forward via George Knapp

2374
01:42:31,759 --> 01:42:29,399
regarding reverse engineering tech alien

2375
01:42:33,859 --> 01:42:31,769
propulsion systems for the US military

2376
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:33,869
there were nine crafts that he said he

2377
01:42:39,649 --> 01:42:37,530
saw at area 51 rather s4's where he said

2378
01:42:42,409 --> 01:42:39,659
he saw them inside of airplane hangars

2379
01:42:45,919 --> 01:42:42,419
and he also claims to have worked for

2380
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:45,929
Los Alamos elapsed in New Mexico so it's

2381
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:47,760
interesting that he's going to be at UFO

2382
01:42:53,359 --> 01:42:51,119
fest and I actually had wanted to attend

2383
01:42:55,780 --> 01:42:53,369
that event I might still we'll see if I

2384
01:42:57,700 --> 01:42:55,790
get down there

2385
01:42:58,840 --> 01:42:57,710
there's also commander David flavour

2386
01:43:02,170 --> 01:42:58,850
who's going to be there

2387
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:02,180
Daniel Marek David I think is it Pilates

2388
01:43:11,950 --> 01:43:09,530
appala I can never say yes Jeremy Korbel

2389
01:43:15,370 --> 01:43:11,960
is gonna be there right Peter Davenport

2390
01:43:16,780 --> 01:43:15,380
is gonna be there so yeah it looks like

2391
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:16,790
they've got a really good lineup there

2392
01:43:21,130 --> 01:43:17,570
no doubt about it

2393
01:43:22,780 --> 01:43:21,140
it's you yes and I wanted to let

2394
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:22,790
everybody know that if you want to see a

2395
01:43:28,810 --> 01:43:26,210
really interesting event that will never

2396
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:28,820
probably ever happen again in our

2397
01:43:34,030 --> 01:43:30,890
lifetimes and you want to see Bob Lazar

2398
01:43:36,910 --> 01:43:34,040
talk they have not sold out on tickets

2399
01:43:39,130 --> 01:43:36,920
regarding that I would go if I can I

2400
01:43:41,230 --> 01:43:39,140
might still go but also wanted to

2401
01:43:43,810 --> 01:43:41,240
mention one thing I noticed there was

2402
01:43:45,250 --> 01:43:43,820
one female at this event and I'm not

2403
01:43:46,810 --> 01:43:45,260
going to take them to task over that I'm

2404
01:43:49,750 --> 01:43:46,820
just mentioning it'd be nice to see a

2405
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:49,760
few more females there's one lady that's

2406
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:51,110
going to be there by the name of Joe and

2407
01:43:55,150 --> 01:43:52,490
Clarkson I'm sure she'll have a

2408
01:43:57,550 --> 01:43:55,160
fascinating talk while she's there but

2409
01:43:58,930 --> 01:43:57,560
you know we need to also give these

2410
01:44:00,820 --> 01:43:58,940
folks that benefit the doubt it's quite

2411
01:44:02,590 --> 01:44:00,830
possible that you know they tried to

2412
01:44:04,780 --> 01:44:02,600
reach out to more female speakers

2413
01:44:06,370 --> 01:44:04,790
regarding the topic of ufology know

2414
01:44:09,070 --> 01:44:06,380
their phenomena but they weren't able to

2415
01:44:11,740 --> 01:44:09,080
actually achieve that so I'd like to see

2416
01:44:13,660 --> 01:44:11,750
more females involved in conventions and

2417
01:44:15,610 --> 01:44:13,670
I know that UFO Congress will have that

2418
01:44:17,530 --> 01:44:15,620
they have a lot to say and it's just

2419
01:44:20,830 --> 01:44:17,540
always nice to hear them have a chance

2420
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:20,840
to give a talk anyway so you mentioned

2421
01:44:25,540 --> 01:44:23,090
that the females it looks like at the

2422
01:44:27,100 --> 01:44:25,550
end of this month the 31st they are

2423
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:27,110
finally going to premiere the

2424
01:44:34,450 --> 01:44:30,800
unidentified TV show you know the the

2425
01:44:36,130 --> 01:44:34,460
stars Tom DeLonge and Lou Elizondo but

2426
01:44:39,790 --> 01:44:36,140
it looks like they've got an interview

2427
01:44:43,480 --> 01:44:39,800
featuring the infamous anonymous female

2428
01:44:47,020 --> 01:44:43,490
pilot not necessarily going public but

2429
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:47,030
they are apparently they she long it's

2430
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:48,560
been talked about now she'll never come

2431
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:50,480
forward she'll never be bought but it

2432
01:44:53,860 --> 01:44:51,650
looks like they've got at least an

2433
01:44:56,860 --> 01:44:53,870
interview with her she may not have

2434
01:44:59,950 --> 01:44:56,870
reveal her identity but at least she is

2435
01:45:02,380 --> 01:44:59,960
going on camera and recounting her side

2436
01:45:04,510 --> 01:45:02,390
of things she was the other pilot when

2437
01:45:06,730 --> 01:45:04,520
Dave flavor was out there a rendezvous

2438
01:45:08,459 --> 01:45:06,740
with the tic-tac you up out so that

2439
01:45:10,049 --> 01:45:08,469
should be pretty interesting and

2440
01:45:12,689 --> 01:45:10,059
have a lot of stuff I guess starting in

2441
01:45:14,549 --> 01:45:12,699
June where will likely do some in-depth

2442
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:14,559
reviews of the different shows that

2443
01:45:18,209 --> 01:45:16,690
they've got coming out so we will see

2444
01:45:20,459 --> 01:45:18,219
we're definitely looking forward to that

2445
01:45:22,020 --> 01:45:20,469
we've got what at least we made do a

2446
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:22,030
show between now and the end of the week

2447
01:45:26,399 --> 01:45:24,249
depending on what your plans are related

2448
01:45:28,259 --> 01:45:26,409
to Oregon but for sure we'll be back

2449
01:45:30,839 --> 01:45:28,269
next Monday night with Calvin Parker

2450
01:45:32,879 --> 01:45:30,849
that's gonna be a lot of fun and yeah

2451
01:45:34,350 --> 01:45:32,889
we've got some other shows lined up I

2452
01:45:36,930 --> 01:45:34,360
don't have the schedule in front of me

2453
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:36,940
but stay tuned I mean well well spam

2454
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:38,800
will spam around so you'll know when

2455
01:45:42,719 --> 01:45:40,570
they're coming up but for sure at the

2456
01:45:44,609 --> 01:45:42,729
very least we'll be back next Monday at

2457
01:45:47,609 --> 01:45:44,619
the latest with Calvin Parker so that's

2458
01:45:50,009 --> 01:45:47,619
going to be a lot of fun so okay we do

2459
01:45:51,450 --> 01:45:50,019
also just want to last mention one last

2460
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:51,460
thing that is we do have Mark Dantonio

2461
01:45:57,930 --> 01:45:54,639
and I think we may have Tom Whitmore

2462
01:46:00,770 --> 01:45:57,940
your guardian angel of coming up so

2463
01:46:04,259 --> 01:46:00,780
that's going to be an interesting

2464
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:04,269
interview and Mark Dantonio a belief

2465
01:46:08,430 --> 01:46:06,610
he's an astronomer he has some really

2466
01:46:09,899 --> 01:46:08,440
fascinating things to say I always love

2467
01:46:12,989 --> 01:46:09,909
listening to him because he always talks

2468
01:46:15,359 --> 01:46:12,999
about things in from the perspective of

2469
01:46:17,279 --> 01:46:15,369
pure science so that's always will be

2470
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:17,289
ready he'll be ready to go for those I

2471
01:46:21,330 --> 01:46:19,570
think we did a real nice job

2472
01:46:23,459 --> 01:46:21,340
Paul's always great you can't do a bad

2473
01:46:26,009 --> 01:46:23,469
interview with Paul so I think we did

2474
01:46:28,259 --> 01:46:26,019
well and Channel we've got ready to wrap

2475
01:46:29,850 --> 01:46:28,269
up I think I'm ready I just want to

2476
01:46:33,629 --> 01:46:29,860
thank everybody for having listened

2477
01:46:35,819 --> 01:46:33,639
tonight really appreciate your taking

2478
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:35,829
the time you're you know taking your

2479
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:37,090
time out of your day to come and listen

2480
01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:39,010
to us because we want to make sure that

2481
01:46:42,779 --> 01:46:40,690
we get only the best guests to you and

2482
01:46:44,129 --> 01:46:42,789
so it's just really wonderful to spend

2483
01:46:46,379 --> 01:46:44,139
this kind of time with you so thank you

2484
01:46:47,009 --> 01:46:46,389
very much we appreciate very much good